# Minneapolis is Burning...? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2020, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589 "2020-05-28T07:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/261 "2020-05-30T15:21:26Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > What about the majority of protesters who are peaceably demonstrating against this undeniably undefendable killing? Should they go home too? Bottoms gave that speech well after dark last night (sometime after 9:00 PM), well after police cars had been burned and violence was occurring. _Fuck yes_, the protesters who weren’t participating in the violence and looting should have gone home, and they should’ve gone home well before the mayor told them to. Because, little known fact apparently, peaceful protest is no longer possible once the riot starts. ETA: I’ve no beef with the protests or protesters at all. I’m just suggesting the thing they could’ve done to most help the cause was to have gone home. Protest again later. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/262 "2020-05-30T15:25:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > … > And I sure as hell don’t know why the troublemakers have the implicit blessing of these leftwing local government officials. > [@RitterSport](#): > > Please provide a cite for this claim. Thanks in advance. As I pointed early in the thread, I was expecting pea brained right wingers to miss the item that leaders understanding why rioters act does not mean that they approve of the rioting. \*\*octopus \*\*was just being helpful by demonstrating that some octopuses do have smaller brains, just like several right wingers. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/263 "2020-05-30T15:29:48Z")
> [@phantom\_lamb](#): > > Good. Whatever it takes at this point, I’d say. I think this is important to watch: - [James Baldwin: How Much Time Do You Want For Your “Progress?”](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCUlE5ldPvM&feature=youtu.be) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/264 "2020-05-30T16:01:45Z")
I don’t care about police cars, they can be replaced. A friend of mine took a non-lethal shot to the face last night, I care about that. I gather she’ll keep her eye. She’s a journalist and was on the job when a cop shot her in the head. MAGA ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/265 "2020-05-30T16:02:55Z")
> [@xenophon41](#): > > Bottoms gave that speech well after dark last night (sometime after 9:00 PM), well after police cars had been burned and violence was occurring. > > _Fuck yes_, the protesters who weren’t participating in the violence and looting should have gone home, and they should’ve gone home well before the mayor told them to. Because, little known fact apparently, peaceful protest is no longer possible once the riot starts. > > ETA: I’ve no beef with the protests or protesters at all. I’m just suggesting the thing they could’ve done to most help the cause was to have gone home. Protest again later. Ah, so the way to prevent protests is to incite them to riot. ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/266 "2020-05-30T16:12:46Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > The “facebookers” are fucking idiots, if not outright trolls or schills, and I can’t help but think your only motive for positing this shit is to stir the pot. > > If the police can murder at will without consequence then we _shouldn’t_ be “carefree”. > > Oh, poor you - inconvenienced by someone else’s oppression and the protest against it. :rolleyes: You are wrong. I was saying what facebook people are posting. I meant it’s one crisis after another, likely more, hence, no more carefree. You completely got my post wrong. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/267 "2020-05-30T16:26:24Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Ah, so the way to prevent protests is to incite them to riot. Well, that’s a tactic that’s been used many times to disrupt protests. I don’t know if that’s what happened last night, but it could be. We shouldn’t let it stifle our voices or “prevent” us from raising them in anger. I’m not saying to stop protesting; I’m saying that staying in an area where group violence is happening, whether you’re going to participate in the violence or not, is no longer peaceful protest and is arguably less _effective_ protest. -Context matters. Maybe “go home” is too strong, but also understand that there was no large unaffected public area in Atlanta last night where the majority of peaceful protesters could have continued. Staying there endangered the protesters, residents who couldn’t leave and the cops (who had been under orders -which they executed well- to ‘give the protesters room’ to demonstrate). And the crowd also provided cover for the few perpetrating the violence. Atlanta has had its share of bad policing. But I don’t think the rioting here yesterday was ‘the language of the unheard’ as it was in Minneapolis. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/268 "2020-05-30T16:33:08Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > Milk’s good for treating teargas in your eyes and face. Milk isn’t sterile. You really don’t want it getting into your eyes. Experts recommend using [water, or even better, saline solution](https://www.aftermath.com/content/tear-gas-neutralizer/). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/269 "2020-05-30T17:07:10Z")
People who’ve been teargassed don’t. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/270 "2020-05-30T17:23:55Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Milk isn’t sterile. You really don’t want it getting into your eyes. Experts recommend using [water, or even better, saline solution](https://www.aftermath.com/content/tear-gas-neutralizer/). I’ve never been teargassed, but it is similar in nature to hot pepper reactions. If you have eaten something too hot to handle, the last thing that you want is water. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/271 "2020-05-30T17:31:11Z")
I think this is worth paying attention to: [Pentagon puts military police on alert to go to Minneapolis](https://apnews.com/cf9947a3ca9f3225f9645fd330403eae) > [@](#): > > Soldiers from Fort Bragg in North Carolina and Fort Drum in New York have been ordered to be ready to deploy within four hours if called, according to three people with direct knowledge of the orders. Soldiers in Fort Carson, in Colorado, and Fort Riley in Kansas have been told to be ready within 24 hours. The people did not want their names used because they were not authorized to discuss the preparations. > > ADVERTISEMENT > The get-ready orders were sent verbally on Friday, after President Donald Trump asked Defense Secretary Mark Esper for military options to help quell the unrest in Minneapolis after protests descended into looting and arson in some parts of the city. > > Trump made the request on a phone call from the Oval Office on Thursday night that included Esper, National Security Advisor Robert O’ Brien and several others. The president asked Esper for rapid deployment options if the Minneapolis protests continued to spiral out of control, according to one of the people, a senior Pentagon official who was on the call. > [@](#): > > The person said the military units would be deployed under the Insurrection Act of 1807, which was last used in 1992 during the riots in Los Angeles that followed the Rodney King trial. > > “If this is where the president is headed response-wise, it would represent a significant escalation and a determination that the various state and local authorities are not up to the task of responding to the growing unrest,” said Brad Moss, a Washington D.C.-based attorney, who specializes in national security. > > Members of the police units were on a 30-minute recall alert early Saturday, meaning they would have to return to their bases inside that time limit in preparation for deployment to Minneapolis inside of four hours. Units at Fort Drum are slated to head to Minneapolis first, according to the three people, including two Defense Department officials. Roughly 800 U.S. soldiers would deploy to the city if called. > [@](#): > > The three officials with direct knowledge of the potential deployment say the orders are on a classified system, known as the Secret Internet Protocol Router or SIPR for short. > > Active-duty forces are normally prohibited from acting as a domestic law enforcement agency. But the Insurrection Act offers an exception. > > The Act would allow the military to take up a policing authority it otherwise would not be allowed to do, enforcing state and federal laws, said Stephen Vladeck, a University of Texas School of Law professor who specializes in constitutional and national security law. > > The statute “is deliberately vague” when it comes to the instances in which the Insurrection Act could be used, he said. The state’s governor could ask President Donald Trump to take action or Trump could act on his own authority if he’s determined that the local authorities are so overwhelmed that they can’t adequately enforce the law, Vladeck said. > > “It is a very, very broad grant of authority for the president,” he added. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/272 "2020-05-30T17:40:17Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > However, I feel ambivalent about the average protester since some of them feel sympathy for the riots and others don’t. I was with the Atlanta Mayor when she said > But then she said, point blank, > > What about the majority of protesters who are peaceably demonstrating against this undeniably undefendable killing? Should they go home too? I watched her speak. Very effective. I do hope it works. Man this is really scary. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/273 "2020-05-30T17:43:04Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I think this is worth paying attention to: [Pentagon puts military police on alert to go to Minneapolis](https://apnews.com/cf9947a3ca9f3225f9645fd330403eae) Oh good, moving in military forces and declaring martial law should do wonders to ease tensions in the community. It is clear to me that Trump and co see violence as a positive in their political favor. They will do everything they can to fan the flames and incite people to rise against them, so that they have an excuse to use draconian tactics to put them down. ---
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/274 "2020-05-30T17:43:18Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Milk isn’t sterile. You really don’t want it getting into your eyes. Its not been sterilized, but its been pasteurized and [that’s just as good](https://www.fda.gov/food/buy-store-serve-safe-food/dangers-raw-milk-unpasteurized-milk-can-pose-serious-health-risk) with regards to the presence of any dangerous pathogens. > [@FDA](#): > > Pasteurization is a widely used process that kills harmful bacteria by heating milk to a specific temperature for a set period of time. First developed by Louis Pasteur in 1864, pasteurization kills harmful organisms responsible for such diseases as listeriosis, typhoid fever, tuberculosis, diphtheria, Q fever, and brucellosis. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/275 "2020-05-30T18:34:55Z")
Doesn’t posse comitatus prevent the use of US military for civil policing? ---
**Author:** ![MN\_Maenad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@MN\_Maenad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MN_Maenad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/276 "2020-05-30T19:22:38Z")
The mayor of St. Paul confirmed this morning that everyone arrested in St. Paul last night was from out of state. The riots and burnings have been organized, firefighters have described it as playing whack-a-mole. The governor said flat-out that this is being led by organized agitators. I know reporters are looking into who it may be, I’ve also heard the NSA is digging into the dark web. There’s something more going on here than protests against another racist murdering cop. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. I just hope that other cities aren’t subjected to this. ---
**Author:** ![MN\_Maenad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@MN\_Maenad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MN_Maenad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/277 "2020-05-30T19:30:21Z")
MPR article with cites for most of what I just posted: [Political, faith leaders beg Floyd protesters to obey curfew, restore order | MPR News](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/30/fires-continue-to-burn-as-more-national-guard-troops-are-called-to-minneapolis) ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/278 "2020-05-30T20:15:51Z")
> [@SuntanLotion](#): > > I was thinking last week, we’re never going to be Carefree again. We never were. At least, not if “we” is anybody over 10 who’s been paying any attention during the last, oh, how many hundreds of years? And quite a few people under 10 didn’t get any choice in the matter, either. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/279 "2020-05-30T20:49:13Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Milk isn’t sterile. You really don’t want it getting into your eyes. Experts recommend using [water, or even better, saline solution](https://www.aftermath.com/content/tear-gas-neutralizer/). You think teargas is sterile? There’s the classic tear-gas chemical which, to be honest, I don’t know a lot about. But if it’s pepper-spray type tear gas the irritant is oil-based, water has a hard time flushing it away. The fats in milk help wash it out. Is it ideal? No. Neither are chemical burns to the eyeball. If you haven’t got an emergency shower or gallons and gallons of water (or gallons of gallons of saline solution) then milk will work to reduce the irritation. You can then flush the eyes with water to get the milk out. Anyone who has ever eaten hot peppers knows that milk soothes the irritation a lot better than plain water does. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2020, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/280 "2020-05-30T20:52:26Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Doesn’t posse comitatus prevent the use of US military for civil policing? For the most part yes - unless the Insurrection Act is invoked. [More details here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=15)