# Minneapolis is Burning...? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2020, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589 "2020-05-28T07:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/381 "2020-06-02T04:12:52Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Can’t yet. People like me need to exist to provide goods and services and clean up the mess after these progressive, urban Biden rallies. Can’t have the whole country looking like Detroit. Ah yes, Bush senior and Republicans like you thought then in the 90s that your stupid accusations would be a winning thing. It became a useless talking point (and an insulting idea to the very same people you should be trying to convince or discourage to vote) and Papa Bush lost the election. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/382 "2020-06-02T04:25:07Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Welp, I see the right-wing has settled on its malicious and mendacious talking points for the current crisis: > > 1. Appropriating responsible “essential worker” status for “people like me”, with the implication of “conservative white people”, erasing the [disproportionate presence and risks of minorities](https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/most-us-front-line-workers-are-women-minorities/5406233.html) among frontline workers. > > 2. Pretending that right-wingers are “cleaning up the mess” when they’re actually [prominent in initiating and accelerating the mess](https://www.lawfareblog.com/riots-white-supremacy-and-accelerationism). > > 3. Racist dogwhistles that by this point are just plain old whistles, with “mess” and “urban” and “Detroit” intended to convey the meaning “black”, with all the racist-stereotype baggage of scary messy useless lazy black people. (Not that “black people” is the exact epithet they intend to imply.) > > 4. And finally, blaming the whole situation by implication on the Democratic Presidential candidate. Wow. Nice strawmen. Get them! Anyways, if you are looking for racism check yet more double standards/bias check out the Trump supporters have low IQ thread. Look, police brutality and the corrupt justice system in this country are inexcusable. However, it’s terribly counterproductive to engage in assaults, looting, robberies, arson, and rioting. If it hurts your feelings that these acts are primarily being committed by left leaning folks and in left infested areas that’s not my problem. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/383 "2020-06-02T04:30:32Z")
I can think of nothing less effective than escalating a protest right up to the point right before it can no longer be ignored, and no further. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/384 "2020-06-02T04:41:10Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > However, it’s terribly counterproductive to engage in assaults, looting, robberies, arson, and rioting. If it hurts your feelings that these acts are primarily being committed by left leaning folks and in left infested areas that’s not my problem. There’s no evidence that the assaults, looting, robberies, arson, and rioting are “primarily being committed by left leaning folks”. It’s true, however, that protests against the police brutality and the corrupt justice system that you claim to deplore so much are primarily being engaged in by left-leaning folks (because right-leaning folks don’t seem to really care very much about them as long as their victims are minorities). > [@octopus](#): > > in left infested areas 1. Oh right, you previously hadn’t managed to work in the classic right-wing comparison of majority-minority populations in urban areas to actual vermin who “infest” a location rather than “residing” in it. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/385 "2020-06-02T04:51:30Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > However, it’s terribly counterproductive to engage in assaults, looting, robberies, arson, and rioting. If it hurts your feelings that these acts are primarily being committed by left leaning folks and in left infested areas that’s not my problem. Most of that is from the police, the rightwingers and random opportunists. Not “left leaning folk”. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/386 "2020-06-02T04:51:58Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > There’s no evidence that the assaults, looting, robberies, arson, and rioting are “primarily being committed by left leaning folks”. It’s true, however, that protests against the police brutality and the corrupt justice system that you claim to deplore so much are primarily being engaged in by left-leaning folks (because right-leaning folks don’t seem to really care very much about them as long as their victims are minorities). All sorts of folk are condemning, and rightfully so, the apparent murder. > [@](#): > > 1. Oh right, you previously hadn’t managed to work in the classic right-wing comparison of majority-minority populations in urban areas to actual vermin who “infest” a location rather than “residing” in it. You are the one bringing race into it. Shame! The problem is the optics of the looting, arson, rioting, and attacking innocent people is so bad you are desperate to misdirect to disingenuous strawmen that are solely the creation of your own troubled mind. I have no sympathy for the lawlessness that has predictably manifested and subsequently overshadowed what could have been a time where peaceful demonstrations could have made a big impact. Instead, the stormtroopers of the left and other opportunistic rabble are causing tremendous damage to life and property and doing so in the middle of a pandemic. Lol. Get arrested for going to church and get cheered by the left for burning one down. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/387 "2020-06-02T04:53:40Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Most of that is from the police, the rightwingers and random opportunists. Not “left leaning folk”. Really? Really? Out of all the videos I have seen of looting and arson only one instance were the police stealing. And yes, it was wrong for the police to steal those water bottles but I couldn’t blame them. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/388 "2020-06-02T05:05:58Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You are the one bringing race into it. Shame! 1. Racist signaling followed by outraged denunciations of the people who point out the racist signaling. That “plausible deniability” isn’t looking as plausible for racists as it did a few years ago. When you smirk about “urban” “rabble” "infest"ing their cities and raise the specter of “the whole country looking like Detroit”, people can hear what message you’re trying to send. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/389 "2020-06-02T05:07:16Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > The Secretary of Defense has declared our United States to be a “Battlezone”. If you don’t think the shit has hit the fan, then you don’t know shit. I forgot where I posted this yesterday, but here goes again. Trump is happy that now he really is a “wartime president”. Civil war is still war, right? It doesn’t matter to him that he’s the one causing the civil war. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/390 "2020-06-02T05:13:51Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > 1. Racist signaling followed by outraged denunciations of the people who point out the racist signaling. > > That “plausible deniability” isn’t looking as plausible for racists as it did a few years ago. When you smirk about “urban” “rabble” "infest"ing their cities and raise the specter of “the whole country looking like Detroit”, people can hear what message you’re trying to send. I use Detroit as an example because if you compare Detroit to Hiroshima it would come as a shock that the latter was the one nuked and the other was subjected to leftist economic policy. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/391 "2020-06-02T05:32:06Z")
That’s not why you use Detroit as an example, although I recognize that it’s also convenient for you to be able to misrepresent a complex interaction of massive market-economy malfunction, virulent racism, and legislative failure with the misleading label “leftist economic policy”, as well as getting in the dogwhistle implications of helpless feckless immiserated black folks. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/392 "2020-06-02T05:43:17Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > That’s not why you use Detroit as an example, although I recognize that it’s also convenient for you to be able to misrepresent a complex interaction of massive market-economy malfunction, virulent racism, and legislative failure with the misleading label “leftist economic policy”, as well as getting in the dogwhistle implications of helpless feckless immiserated black folks. We got a mind reader now? I don’t care what whistle you hear. You are a serious part of the problem that tries to demonize anyone who points out inconveniently embarrassing facts. You’d be the scold in centuries past getting innocent women burned as witches or other innocent folk killed as heretics. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/393 "2020-06-02T05:53:16Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > We got a mind reader now? I don’t care what whistle you hear. You are a serious part of the problem that tries to demonize anyone who points out inconveniently embarrassing facts. No, you are just a fascist and racist trying to demonize black people and cheerlead for murder. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/394 "2020-06-02T06:04:28Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > No, you are just a fascist and racist trying to demonize black people and cheerlead for murder. Of course you are just making stuff up to distract from you and your fellow nuts support of this violent mayhem destroying people’s property and lives. Sicko. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/395 "2020-06-02T06:09:36Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Of course you are just making stuff up to distract from you and your fellow nuts support of this violent mayhem destroying people’s property and lives. Sicko. You are just projecting your own evil onto other people, like right wingers always do. You’d like nothing better than to murder most of humanity, and think everyone else is just as monstrous as you are. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/396 "2020-06-02T06:27:20Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You are a serious part of the problem that tries to demonize anyone who points out inconveniently embarrassing facts. Someone who promotes simplistic mythology about a hugely ramified process of urban decay being caused by some handwaved notion of “leftist economic policy” so they can pretend that market phenomena had nothing to do with it can’t really point fingers at anyone else about trying to dodge “inconveniently embarrassing facts”. Apart from that, you’ve got nothing but more Talking Point 6. Oh, and I forgot: > [@octopus](#): > > You’d be the scold in centuries past getting innocent women burned as witches or other innocent folk killed as heretics. 1. Referring to women who disagree with you by specifically gendered disparaging terms such as “scold”, “nag”, “shrew”, etc., even if you have to drag in bizarrely inapplicable historical scenarios to make such terms seem relevant. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/397 "2020-06-02T06:30:23Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You are just projecting your own evil onto other people, like right wingers always do. You’d like nothing better than to murder most of humanity, and think everyone else is just as monstrous as you are. I don’t even kill spiders. I assume you have a tv. How many hard working, maga hat wearing folk do you see out there looting and setting fires to the city? Any Trump supporters hijacking trucks? Any small government conservatives smashing and burning down people’s businesses and homes? Not on my cable TV or any of my [watchtheleftlootandgetreparations.com](http://watchtheleftlootandgetreparations.com) feeds. If I were in favor of police brutality, surely, you could find a post where I advocate such. Clearly, you are the chief loon here, you and Drunky smurf, so these are probably wasted hunts and pecks on this tablet. Now why don’t you use some of your venom for the posters who do wish harm on others and do support atrocities like prison rape and genocide? Oh, don’t want to be disloyal to your comrades? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/398 "2020-06-02T06:31:30Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > You are just projecting your own evil onto other people, like right wingers always do. You’d like nothing better than to murder most of humanity, and think everyone else is just as monstrous as you are. I don’t even kill spiders. I assume you have a tv. How many hard working, maga hat wearing folk do you see out there looting and setting fires to the city? Any Trump supporters hijacking trucks? Any small government conservatives smashing and burning down people’s businesses and homes? Not on my cable TV or any of my [watchtheleftlootandgetreparations.com](http://watchtheleftlootandgetreparations.com) feeds. If I were in favor of police brutality, surely, you could find a post where I advocate such. Clearly, you are the chief loon here, you and Drunky smurf, so these are probably wasted hunts and pecks on this tablet. Now why don’t you use some of your venom for the posters who do wish harm on others and do support atrocities like prison rape and genocide? Oh, don’t want to be disloyal to your comrades? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/399 "2020-06-02T06:32:51Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Someone who promotes simplistic mythology about a hugely ramified process of urban decay being caused by some handwaved notion of “leftist economic policy” so they can pretend that market phenomena had nothing to do with it can’t really point fingers at anyone else about trying to dodge “inconveniently embarrassing facts”. > > Apart from that, you’ve got nothing but more Talking Point 6. > > Oh, and I forgot: > > 1. Referring to women who disagree with you by specifically gendered disparaging terms such as “scold”, “nag”, “shrew”, etc., even if you have to drag in bizarrely inapplicable historical scenarios to make such terms seem relevant. Are you a woman? Am not sure how I’m supposed to know that. Nor do I care. It’s irrelevant in any case. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/400 "2020-06-02T06:34:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > We got a mind reader now? I don’t care what whistle you hear. You are a serious part of the problem that tries to demonize anyone who points out inconveniently embarrassing facts. You’d be the scold in centuries past getting innocent women burned as witches or other innocent folk killed as heretics. Those who burned witches and heretics were the ones who hated progress and open mindedness in the past you [shit head.](https://biology.stackexchange.com/questions/50774/does-the-octopus-have-an-anus-what-does-it-look-like) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=21)