# Minneapolis is Burning...? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2020, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589 "2020-05-28T07:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/421 "2020-06-02T16:36:29Z")
The President has acted boldly and forcefully. All the members of Antifas Central Committee have been arrested. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/422 "2020-06-02T16:52:12Z")
> [@Sicks\_Ate](#): > > You’re a fucking piece of shit. Go die. [Moderating] Wishing death on other posters is a violation of board rules. Please avoid doing this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/423 "2020-06-02T18:05:56Z")
Why are people even replying to **octopus**? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/424 "2020-06-02T18:26:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I can think of nothing less effective than escalating a protest right up to the point right before it can no longer be ignored, and no further. It’s like edging, but for democracy rather than sex. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Why are people even replying to **octopus**? To keep him occupied in the pit, rather than having him shit all over the rest of the board. It’s a public service. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/425 "2020-06-02T20:41:02Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I use Detroit as an example because if you compare Detroit to Hiroshima it would come as a shock that the latter was the one nuked and the other was subjected to leftist economic policy. Good point. Japan, a socialist country, turned a smoking nuclear crater into a thriving metropolis in just a few decades. Capitalist America couldn’t even rescue Detroit from the decline of the car industry. What’s that you say? The vaunted Japanese recovery only worked because of vast infusions of American investment? Gosh, it’s almost like American socialism also works great when we care enough to try it. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/426 "2020-06-02T20:50:19Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Good point. Japan, a socialist country, turned a smoking nuclear crater into a thriving metropolis in just a few decades. Capitalist America couldn’t even rescue Detroit from the decline of the car industry. > > What’s that you say? The vaunted Japanese recovery only worked because of vast infusions of American investment? Gosh, it’s almost like American socialism also works great when we care enough to try it. Japan was never even close to being a socialist country. > **[How socialism and the left wing failed in Japan](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/12/30/national/politics-diplomacy/socialism-japan/)** > > Three decades ago, the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Malta Summit signified the end of the Cold War and the defeat of left-wing forces, including the socialists and communists. > [@](#): > > Japan has never been directly affected by foreign socialist waves, such as the Russian Revolution, Fujioka explained. That’s why socialism here was a mere pipe dream that didn’t derive from within. In the 1970s, when he read the accounts of Russian exiles revealing the Soviet Union’s repressive regime, it served as a wake-up call and prompted him to distance himself from the ideology. > > And as Japan underwent its rapid economic growth spurt during the 1960s and ’70s, Japan’s socialists were enjoying a better life than their comrades around the world — which may explain why, deep down, they didn’t actually believe socialism was an alternative to capitalism. > > Even Masashi Ishibashi, the JSP’s chairman at that time and who died earlier this month, admitted as much. > > “Japan won’t be a socialist regime even if we take power in the country,” Ishibashi said in 1984 as reported by the now-defunct weekly Asahi Journal. He said socialism was for “internal use” in the party — a convenient idea to win the hearts and minds of left-wing hardliners. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/427 "2020-06-02T21:19:46Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > Good point. Japan, a socialist country This is the Pit, not the Forum For Incredibly Hilariously False Statements. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/428 "2020-06-02T21:23:26Z")
Wait, “only one instance of the police looting”? “Only”? In what world is “only one” instance of that acceptable? ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/429 "2020-06-02T22:11:56Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Japan was never even close to being a socialist country. > > [How socialism and the left wing failed in Japan - The Japan Times](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/12/30/national/politics-diplomacy/socialism-japan/) Although, as your own cite points out, socialist parties and aims played a much larger role in Japanese governance during about the postwar half-century (during which Hiroshima was rebuilt) than they do now. In fact, anybody who’s genuinely as much of a “small-government conservative” as **octopus** likes to claim to be would absolutely crap themselves with horror at the extent of the “statist” “nanny-government” centralized planning and funding process that was crucial to the reconstruction of Hiroshima. Foreign militaries approving public works projects, central government giving away land, municipal housing projects construction, government agencies all over the place. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/430 "2020-06-02T22:37:34Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Although, as your own cite points out, socialist parties and aims played a much larger role in Japanese governance during about the postwar half-century (during which Hiroshima was rebuilt) than they do now. > > In fact, anybody who’s genuinely as much of a “small-government conservative” as **octopus** likes to claim to be would absolutely crap themselves with horror at the extent of the “statist” “nanny-government” centralized planning and funding process that was crucial to the reconstruction of Hiroshima. Foreign militaries approving public works projects, central government giving away land, municipal housing projects construction, government agencies all over the place. Eh, my views on pure market economies are shifting over time. Just like my view of the death penalty and same sex marriage has shifted. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/431 "2020-06-02T23:15:57Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > How many hard working, maga hat wearing folk do you see out there looting and setting fires to the city? They didn’t wear their MAGA hats, but [they certainly look the type](https://twitter.com/jwehrens/status/1267587942895230976). ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/432 "2020-06-02T23:37:15Z")
> [@RTFirefly](#): > > They didn’t wear their MAGA hats, but [they certainly look the type](https://twitter.com/jwehrens/status/1267587942895230976). I don’t see them looting or setting fires. I see them ready to crack some skulls though. I’m not seeing the equivalence between a group protecting property and a group engaged in terror. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/433 "2020-06-03T00:00:56Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Japan was never even close to being a socialist country. You are very clearly ignorant of the political history of Japan following WW2, and the degree to which the government directed industrial organization and investment, the fostering of labor unions at American behest, and the degree to which Japan even to this day resembles the socialist policies of Nordic countries. But this is clearly destined to be an argument that depends on defining socialism as a planned economy where people eat dogs, so have fun with that. Crack open a history book if you get bored. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/434 "2020-06-03T00:04:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m not seeing the equivalence between a group protecting property and a group engaged in terror. :dubious: You read the report of _“n-words flying”_ and the overheard statement _“I’m ready to fuck shit up. you know ive been looking for a fight for the past 6 months”_, and the conclusion you draw is that they’re just a well-intentioned “group protecting property”? How about when you saw the photo of the bloodied face of the guy documenting their presence, who [posted that](https://twitter.com/jwehrens/status/1267614189494960131) “they beat the shit out of me” for videoing them? How about when you saw [this photo posted by a Denver Channel 9 news reporter](https://twitter.com/jeremyjojola/status/1267602083508703233)? > [@](#): > > JUST CONFIRMED: Denver Police seized these guns and tactical gear from two men who showed up to the protest on Friday. One of them, Chevy McGee, tells me he didn’t break any laws. McGee is part of the “Boogaloo” movement. Sure looks to me like domestic terrorism is in fact exactly what these white guys are going out there for. ---
**Author:** ![Harrington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ac8455/32.png) [@Harrington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harrington)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/435 "2020-06-03T11:30:10Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Actually, while I’m still confused as to why cops are doing this, I will admit that the bricks aren’t as neatly stacked or as uniform as I first thought. > > I _might_ be wrong. About the PD and the bricks, that is. Well, whether used for for nefarious purposes or not, I don’t think they’d stack them neatly in the bed of their truck when they could just toss them, as you say. Therefore, I don’t think the orientation of the bricks is a reliable indicator or their use. But, I think I can now start the narrative of Alex Jones’ conspiracy theory (to come). George Floyd is still alive and being held in a warehouse in Cleveland along with his high school friend Derek Chauvin. Floyd’s photoshopped death was used to ignite The Black Folk into a hate frenzy, to usurp Trump. Floyd’s family members are conscripted actors (editorial: who did a fantastic job, those tears!). Anticipating that The Black Folk wouldn’t comply, the Antifa, Far Left Cabal would enact their Contingency. Start rioting, looting, and fomenting Black vs. White violence. White Supremacists (WS…don’t confuse with World Series, which isn’t happening this year) attach their agenda to Antifa because it seems to suit them. George Soros funds the Boston Police Department (among others) to manufacture bricks and strategically place them around towns for his vassals to use against them and break windows, because the hapless rioters can’t find anything else to break windows, I guess. You get idiots challenging police trying to restore order, maybe killing to do so, and dumb people perceive that as police aggression and anti-Constitutional. Now, as Barack Obama intended, we have a Civil War-like contest, where Whites remain dominant, as is Providence, and we only have to deal with occasional Black Grievances, and lose a few buildings and their inventories, which is, of course, acceptable, because Blacks, after the smoke clears, will remain subject. ---
**Author:** ![Chip\_Dundas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b5a626/32.png) [@Chip\_Dundas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chip_Dundas)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/436 "2020-06-03T14:09:38Z")
Large segments of people in these black neighborhoods hate white people and hate our government. Until you change that, I don’t know how you fix it. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/437 "2020-06-03T14:27:25Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > Large segments of people in these black neighborhoods hate white people and hate our government. Until you change that, I don’t know how you fix it. Please provide a cite for your claim that large segments of people in black neighborhoods hate white people. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/438 "2020-06-03T14:28:43Z")
> [@Chip\_Dundas](#): > > Large segments of people in these black neighborhoods hate white people and hate our government. Until you change that, I don’t know how you fix it. And how would _you_ change that? ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/439 "2020-06-03T14:29:41Z")
My phone won’t let me search, so if anyone wants to for me-back in March, someone posted that astrology boards were predicting riots and civil war because of the conjunction (in March)of Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Pluto. Looks like they were right. Always watch out for Uranus. ---
**Author:** ![Unreconstructed\_Man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/76d3ee/32.png) [@Unreconstructed\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unreconstructed_Man)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/440 "2020-06-03T14:38:27Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Please provide a cite for your claim that large segments of people in black neighborhoods hate white people. Thanks! Why _wouldn’t_ they? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=23)