# Minneapolis is Burning...? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 28, 2020, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589 "2020-05-28T07:45:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/41 "2020-05-28T17:26:15Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > If it’s one thing I’d have thought we all could agree on, it would be that mistreating innocent protesters, condoning armed insurrectionists, and looting and destroying innocent peoples’ property are all wrong, but apparently I was mistaken. I don’t think anyone really thinks rioting is right (or logical). They’re just acknowledging that it is inevitable when people are oppressed to a sufficient degree. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/42 "2020-05-28T17:31:39Z")
If you have 10 bad cops and 1000 good cops but the 1000 good cops don’t turn in the 10 bad cops, you have 1010 bad cops. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/43 "2020-05-28T17:52:49Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > They are protesting the “Property \> Lives” mentality. BTW, your better idea is…? I have an idea, and I’m just spit balling here. How about if prominent black athletes quietly knelt during the singing of the National Anthem? Kneeling is a sign of respect, of course, and it would bring visibility to the mistreatment of black people everywhere in the US. Surely those complaining about this protest would be OK with that. ---
**Author:** ![Dallas\_Jones](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dallas_jones/32/3277_2.png) [@Dallas\_Jones](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dallas_Jones)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/44 "2020-05-28T18:22:01Z")
> [@MikeF](#): > > So what would you have the cops do? Walk away and allow vigilante justice prevail? No. The swift arrest of all four cops and holding them in jail pending further investigation of an obvious crime. At least manslaughter. That would be a start and could have prevented some, not all, of this violence. All the cops standing by outside the cop’s home is really bad optics, as the say, it makes it look like all of the police force is standing in solidarity with these bad cops. This will keep the fires burning. There can be no excuse for the actions of these police, none. Four cops on scene with a handcuffed suspect on the ground, apparently not resisting, and they couldn’t just get him into the vehicle and take him in? Complete bullshit! ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/45 "2020-05-28T18:28:52Z")
The police there are [apparently](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/10/07/minneapolis-police-union-sells-cops-for-trump-tshirts) a bunch of Trump fanatics. So it’s not surprising that they are murderously racist. > [@octopus](#): > > So, burning McDonald’s and looting Target is how revolutions are fought and won? It took the LA riots for even limited attempts to do anything about police corruption and racial persecution by the police in LA. The only thing the authorities pay attention to is spectacular news footage and property damage. So yes; if the local people there want anything to be done, they _should in fact_ burn and loot and play to the cameras while they do it. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/46 "2020-05-28T18:41:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > That is not why they are there…unless you can show me another example where a _non ex-cop_ murderer gets off with being fired then is protected by an insanely large number of cops. They are protecting their own, and have publicly shown where they stand. And do you think that ex-cop’s life would be worth warm spit if there _weren’t_ people around his house, guarding it? Do you think the angry mob already burning and looting wouldn’t look to exert a little “street justice” if they could get away with it? Just to be clear - I’m in the camp where I think the officers involved in the murder of George Floyd SHOULD be in jail on murder charges. On the other hand, if the world was as it should be Floyd would still be alive. Understanding why something is the way it is, is NOT the same as condoning it, approving of it, or wanting it to be so. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/47 "2020-05-28T18:49:13Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > I have an idea, and I’m just spit balling here. How about if prominent black athletes quietly knelt during the singing of the National Anthem? Kneeling is a sign of respect, of course, and it would bring visibility to the mistreatment of black people everywhere in the US. > > Surely those complaining about this protest would be OK with that. As a veteran who served to protect the right of all Americans to kneel in protest of injustice, I’m highly against people kneeling in protest of injustice, because it disrespects veterans. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/48 "2020-05-28T18:50:17Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > as a veteran who served to protect the right of all americans to kneel in protest of injustice, i’m highly against people kneeling in protest of injustice, because it disrespects veterans. wtfff? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/49 "2020-05-28T18:51:46Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Surely those complaining about this protest would be OK with that. As a serious answer, I haven’t seen many people complaining about the protest, only the looting. It’s kind of hard to complain about a protest now after seeing gun-toting protestors storming a state capitol and not complaining. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/50 "2020-05-28T18:55:07Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > wtfff? Looked like a sarcastic restatement of an actual argument we’ve all heard or read in Koepernick discussions. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/51 "2020-05-28T18:55:59Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Is _everyone_ who is protesting the murder an arsonist and a looter? > > Disciples of the Orange Genius have raped and killed American Muslims. Are _all_ Republicans rapists and murderers? I’m not sure what you’re smoking here but I don’t want any part of it. I think you’re trying to tie war crimes to rioting. I’m comfortable with everyone at Blackwater who stood around while civilians were raped and murdered (or whatever event you’re talking about) going to jail for their complicity. > [@Chingon](#): > > Lol what would be hitting The Man (via property damage), but still acceptable to you? I’d suggest burning down a police station as a better option or maybe city hall. > [@RitterSport](#): > > I have an idea, and I’m just spit balling here. How about if prominent black athletes quietly knelt during the singing of the National Anthem? Kneeling is a sign of respect, of course, and it would bring visibility to the mistreatment of black people everywhere in the US. > > Surely those complaining about this protest would be OK with that. I’ve got no problem with Kapernick. Not sure what this has to do with setting apartment buildings on fire. I’m not sure where we could find modern comparable’s except for Ferguson a couple of years ago but I thought that was wrong too. You could make an argument for Bundy and his group of morons but they didn’t have comparable motivation to these protesters (Bundy had none these guys are at least right to be pissed) and Bundy didn’t hurt anyone or burn down chunks of the city. There were also the alt-right morons in Charlotte a couple of years ago but the guy who hit someone with his car went to jail (rightly so). ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/52 "2020-05-28T18:59:53Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > wtfff? yeah, sorry. I tried to make it as illogical sounding as possible. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/53 "2020-05-28T19:03:52Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > yeah, sorry. I tried to make it as illogical sounding as possible. Understand now-No prob. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/54 "2020-05-28T19:06:08Z")
> [@Oredigger77](#): > > I’ve got no problem with Kapernick. Not sure what this has to do with setting apartment buildings on fire. People have [pointed out](https://www.dailydot.com/irl/lebron-james-colin-kaepernick-george-floyd-death/) that a black man is punished and condemned for kneeling in protest buy the same sort of people who have no problem with a cop killing a black man by kneeling on his throat. The imagery is very symbolic, and spreading virally. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/55 "2020-05-28T19:12:39Z")
I still can’t wrap my head around justifying the rioting and looting of your own community. Burn down city hall? Sure. Flip over some cop cars? Yep. But when I’m pissed at the local government why in the world would I steal from my next next door neighbor and then burn his house down? ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/56 "2020-05-28T19:14:05Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > People have [pointed out](https://www.dailydot.com/irl/lebron-james-colin-kaepernick-george-floyd-death/) that a black man is punished and condemned for kneeling in protest buy the same sort of people who have no problem with a cop killing a black man by kneeling on his throat. Man, I think you just live in a different world than I do. Even Octopus said: > [@octopus](#): > > I concur. It looks like murder to me. He’s about as far of right wing as we have left on this board. So while I get that in the greater world there are people who are ok with what the cops did it seems like a small minority. On the other hand I’m OK with Kap getting fired. I personally think that people should avoid political speech at work and I’m ok with their work firing them if they do so. What these cops did while the same physical action is worlds away from what Kap did and they should go to jail but making a comparison is asinine. ---
**Author:** ![Kron](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kron/32/12444_2.png) [@Kron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kron)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/57 "2020-05-28T19:15:01Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > yeah, sorry. I tried to make it as illogical sounding as possible. Poe’s Law, and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/58 "2020-05-28T19:56:29Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > As a veteran who served to protect the right of all Americans to kneel in protest of injustice, I’m highly against people kneeling in protest of injustice, because it disrespects veterans. Please explain to me why kneeling is disrespectful because I truly do not understand that point of view. In fact, I have a couple of veteran friends who feel the exact opposite that you do. Which doesn’t make either side wrong, just different. But I would like to know why you find it objectionable. (Also, kudos to you for defending the right of others to hold a very different viewpoint than what you hold because, after all, that is what freedom of belief and speech are all about). ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/59 "2020-05-28T20:03:34Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > I still can’t wrap my head around justifying the rioting and looting of your own community. Burn down city hall? Sure. Flip over some cop cars? Yep. > But when I’m pissed at the local government why in the world would I steal from my next next door neighbor and then burn his house down? 1. It’s easier to get to your neighbor’s home/business than city hall. 2. Even if there’s an alarm on said neighbor’s property it still is unlikely to have the same level of security as a government building. 3. The perception that the neighbor has more money/stuff/power/whatever than the folks doing the burning and looting - in other words, jealousy. 4. Some of the folks looting don’t actually give a fuck about the issues, they’re actual thieves taking advantage of an opportunity. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2020, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589/60 "2020-05-28T20:06:23Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Please explain to me why kneeling is disrespectful because I truly do not understand that point of view. In fact, I have a couple of veteran friends who feel the exact opposite that you do. Which doesn’t make either side wrong, just different. > > But I would like to know why you find it objectionable. > > (Also, kudos to you for defending the right of others to hold a very different viewpoint than what you hold because, after all, that is what freedom of belief and speech are all about). It’s not disrespectful. See my other posts. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minneapolis-is-burning/854589.md?page=4)