# Minnesota gays and lesbians are very sorry... **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 22, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112 "2011-12-22T20:06:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Punoqllads](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d2c977/32.png) [@Punoqllads](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Punoqllads)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/1 "2011-12-22T20:06:03Z")
…for destroying a traditional marriage. That or they’re extremely [snarky](http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/12/gay_marriage_amy_koch_michael_brodkorb.php). > [@](#): > > We apologize that our selfish requests to marry those we love has cheapened and degraded traditional marriage so much that we caused you to stray from your own holy union for something more cheap and tawdry. And we are doubly remorseful in knowing that many will see this as a form of sexual harassment of a subordinate. You be the judge. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/2 "2011-12-22T20:11:18Z")
I just heard about this news story. Whaddabitch. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/3 "2011-12-22T23:18:56Z")
I vote snarky. And I love it. Because of course it’s not her fault; or maybe she is right now asking God for forgiveness for straying (and to smite her heathen enemies, please, while you’re in the neighborhood) so that she can come back and say that she has asked God for forgiveness and everyone should just get off her back, dammit! Seems to work for Newt, anyway. Roddy ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/4 "2011-12-22T23:23:22Z")
I think it is distasteful and it does the GLBT community no good. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/5 "2011-12-22T23:31:44Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > I think it is distasteful and it does the GLBT community no good. They just took the anti-gay contingent’s argument and rubbed their noses in it. Brilliant! ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/6 "2011-12-22T23:33:36Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > I think it is distasteful and it does the GLBT community no good. How is it distasteful? ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/7 "2011-12-22T23:46:00Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > I think it is distasteful and it does the GLBT community no good. So silence would be a better strategy? Silence lets those assholes keep using the whole idea of protecting marriage as a sacred heterosexual union. Silence is going to be seen as a tacit agreement that there’s something about heterosexual marriage that is threatened by exapanding the institution of marriage to include SSM. Silence allows people to keep from thinking that the only legitimate threat to any marriage are the people within the marriage and whether they remain committed to making their relationship work. Keeping the hypocrisy in the public eye will at least challenge the illogic these assholes bring to the SSM debate, and may even get some of the fence sitters to use their brains as something other than a way to keep the vacuum in their heads from sucking their eyes into their skulls. It’s a slim chance, but it’s a Hell of a lot more likely to do the LGBT community good than silence would. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/8 "2011-12-22T23:48:26Z")
> [@Punoqllads](#): > > …for destroying a traditional marriage. That or they’re extremely [snarky](http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2011/12/gay_marriage_amy_koch_michael_brodkorb.php). > You be the judge. Brilliant. Snarky in a totally correct and appropriate way. ---
**Author:** ![mister\_nyx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@mister\_nyx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mister_nyx)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/9 "2011-12-22T23:52:09Z")
Hahaha, awesome. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/10 "2011-12-23T00:32:21Z")
Exquisite snark. The “destruction of traditional marriage” has been underway for a long time by allegedly “upstanding citizens” engaging in adultery, domestic abuse, gold-digging, marriages-of-convenience, trophy-wifing, deadbeat parenting, etc. If one of those champions of “values” is exposed as living contrary to those values, I’m not above mocking them. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/11 "2011-12-23T01:01:31Z")
> [@OtakuLoki](#): > > So silence would be a better strategy? Yeah. \*\*Stay out of other people’s sex lives \*\*and continue to champion your own cause by not capitalizing on other people’s misery. She has a child. ---
**Author:** ![miss\_elizabeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/838e76/32.png) [@miss\_elizabeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/miss_elizabeth)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/12 "2011-12-23T01:08:39Z")
So do a lot of the gay couples who’s discrimination she is _trying to codify into law._ Can’t take it? Don’t dish it. Or at least keep those closets clean. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/13 "2011-12-23T01:10:43Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > She has a child. Well, then - maybe she should have thought about her child (and her marriage) before fucking around with someone outside of her marriage. Let’s not forget that Koch et al were making a living by championing their own cause by attempting to legislate other peoples’ morality. The irony, it burns. > [@](#): > > Koch, Brodkorb, and their fellow Republicans campaigned this year to put a constitutional amendment on next year’s ballot to define marriage as the union between a man and a woman, thus forbidding gay marriage. Sadly, the amendment comes too late to prevent Koch from straying from her own marriage. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/14 "2011-12-23T01:10:48Z")
But then they lose the moral high ground. ---
**Author:** ![OtakuLoki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ac8455/32.png) [@OtakuLoki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OtakuLoki)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/15 "2011-12-23T01:15:13Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > Yeah. \*\*Stay out of other people’s sex lives \*\*and continue to champion your own cause by not capitalizing on other people’s misery. If the opposition sees no problem with regulating everyone else’s sex lives, telling people to stay out of other people’s sex lives is fucking two-faced. These people started the mixing up with sex lives and public policy. \*\* Let them eat their cake, every last bitter crumb of it.\*\* Including being mocked when they can’t live up to the standards they claim are universal. The LGBT lobby aren’t the ones who have done a damned thing to hurt that kid. You’re blaming the wrong people, there. And one might be tempted to suggest you think about who’s the bigger assholes in general. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/16 "2011-12-23T01:15:14Z")
I thought the argument of right wing bigots was that gay marriage ruins straight marriage because it encourages straight people to stray and engage in homosexual sex, not opposite-sex sex. ---
**Author:** ![Taomist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/53a042/32.png) [@Taomist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Taomist)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/17 "2011-12-23T01:18:20Z")
Eh. I love it, but it IS opportunistic. More worthy of a snarky party joke than a newspaper. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/18 "2011-12-23T01:18:46Z")
> [@OtakuLoki](#): > > The LGBT lobby aren’t the ones who have done a damned thing to hurt that kid. You’re blaming the wrong people, there. From a PR standpoint, they’re not doing the right thing. Leave that to the commentators to mock the failed marriage. Or the letter writers to the news. Or \_\_\_. But not an organization. > [@](#): > > And one might be tempted to suggest you think about who’s the bigger assholes in general. When I worked on campaigns, including the one that led to [this decision](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Iowa), this is something I would’ve said. For every letter I signed or time I was interviewed, I would’ve never said something like that. Not at all. ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/19 "2011-12-23T01:20:08Z")
Nevermind. Upon closer inspection, it appears this letter was from one person who didn’t have the authority to speak on behalf of anyone but himself. This puts it in the “one person wrote a clever letter” box, not “a gay rights organization acted rude” box. > [@](#): > > An Open Apology to Amy Koch on Behalf of All Gay and Lesbian Minnesotans > > Dear Ms. Koch, > > On behalf of all gays and lesbians living in Minnesota, I would like to wholeheartedly apologize for our community’s successful efforts to threaten your traditional marriage. We are ashamed of ourselves for causing you to have what the media refers to as an “illicit affair” with your staffer, and we also extend our deepest apologies to him and to his wife. These recent events have made it quite clear that our gay and lesbian tactics have gone too far, affecting even the most respectful of our society. > > We apologize that our selfish requests to marry those we love has cheapened and degraded traditional marriage so much that we caused you to stray from your own holy union for something more cheap and tawdry. And we are doubly remorseful in knowing that many will see this as a form of sexual harassment of a subordinate. > > It is now clear to us that if we were not so self-focused and myopic, we would have been able to see that the time you wasted diligently writing legislation that would forever seal the definition of marriage as being between one man and one woman, could have been more usefully spent reshaping the legal definition of “adultery.” > > Forgive us. As you know, we are not church-going people, so we are unable to fully appreciate that “gay marriage” is incompatible with Christian values, despite the fact that those values carry a biblical tradition of adultery such as yours. We applaud you for keeping that tradition going. > > And finally, shame on us for thinking that marriage is a private affair, and that our marriage would have little impact on anyone’s family. We now see that marriage is more than that. It is an agreement with society. We should listen to the Minnesota Family Council when it tells us that marriage is about being public, which explains why marriages are public ceremonies. Never did we realize that it is exactly because of this societal agreement that the entire world is looking at you in shame and disappointment instead of minding its own business. > > From the bottom of our hearts, we ask that you please accept our apology. > > Thank you. > John Medeiros > Minneapolis MN ---
**Author:** ![happycamper\_5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/cab0a1/32.png) [@happycamper\_5](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/happycamper_5)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112/20 "2011-12-23T01:27:20Z")
> [@CitizenPained](#): > > But then they lose the moral high ground. To be perfectly honest, as someone who cannot legally be married to their spouse in their own home state, I don’t give a whit about the moral high ground. Maybe the snark won’t win anyone new over to our cause, but absurdity needs to be ridiculed. At least, sometimes. And I also don’t give a whit if she has a kid. As **Miss Elizabeth** pointed out, so do many gay couples. Having children doesn’t preclude you from having your narrow-minded ignorance thrown back in your face. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-gays-and-lesbians-are-very-sorry/607112.md?page=2)