# Minnesota trial of Derek Chauvin (killer of George Floyd) reactions **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 30, 2021, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024 "2021-03-30T13:14:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/821 "2021-04-23T21:10:53Z")
> [@LivingGhost371](#): > > Or you could do your own investigations rather than just believing the line the leftist media is feeding you that no leftist can ever do anything wrong ever and every right leaning person is the absolute supreme evil. The “leftist media” doesn’t remotely promote that idea. You have, however, given quite an accurate description of how the right-wing media lionizes the right and demonizes the left without regard to facts. That you have chosen to project one side’s behavior onto another is rather telling, but not particularly constructive. And you’re hardly the first person to come to the board, make extraordinary claims and then, when asked to support them with relevant facts, played the “Stop being sheeple and do your own research” card, and I doubt you’ll be the last. You’ve been here a while and still have time to contribute constructively to this board; all you have to do is be prepared to present _your_ “research” when making such claims. Otherwise, I fear you’ll go the same way as those who have come before you. However, given that this particular thread is in IMHO and it’s specifically a “reactions” thread for the Chauvin trial, an evidence-based debate on the protests probably isn’t particularly relevant here anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/822 "2021-04-23T21:26:24Z")
As I mentioned, I read Fox pretty regularly. They’ve largely kept quiet about the Capital Riot, probably because it’s almost all bad news for conservatives. But I’m certainly open to new information. If you have good cites backing up your claims I’d love to read them. That would be part of doing my own investigation and not relying on the leftist media. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/823 "2021-04-23T22:39:53Z")
> [@Deeg](#): > > Without some cites my interpretation is just as good as yours. I read Fox News almost daily; early on they were harping on the guy from Utah who was filming the riot who had leftist posts on social media but since then I haven’t seen anything. If there were major players who were leftists I would expect Fox to be all over it. That doesn’t mean that you’re definitely wrong but the evidence I’ve personally seen is different. ^This. Looking at post 784 (which began this branch of the thread), it’s not clear whether the claim is being made about January 6 or about last summer’s unrest: > [@LivingGhost371](#): > > I looked at the social media accounts of a couple of people that were arrested for major roles in the riots. While I do believe that there were right-wing instigators also involved, a lot of the major actors had a lot of leftist content on their social media accounts. The thing is, those who want to sell the message that the right was NOT responsible for January 6 will freely mix in “facts” from other incidents in other places at other times, and claim that they are relevant to the Jan 6 insurrection. I suspect that’s what we’re looking at in this thread, given the lack of evidence offered by the claimant. In other words, it’s merely an attempt to muddy the question as a means of defending the right. eta: removing the emphasis I’d put on part of the second quote when replying to it back on 4/22. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/824 "2021-04-23T23:35:07Z")
> [@LivingGhost371](#): > > Someone that has BLM content on their social media there’s a good chance they’re a leftist. Or, that they simply believe that, yes, black lives matter. ---
**Author:** ![lum\_s\_husband](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lum_s_husband/32/3698_2.png) [@lum\_s\_husband](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lum_s_husband)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/825 "2021-04-23T23:42:27Z")
Can someone tell me why leftists are allowed to cavort around freely? ---
**Author:** ![LivingGhost371](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b9e5f3/32.png) [@LivingGhost371](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LivingGhost371)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/826 "2021-04-23T23:53:26Z")
We’re talking about the Minneapolis riots, not the Capitol riots. ---
**Author:** ![LivingGhost371](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b9e5f3/32.png) [@LivingGhost371](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LivingGhost371)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/827 "2021-04-23T23:56:26Z")
The thread title is “Derik Chauvin” not “Capital Riots” so I’ve assumed we’ve been talking about the Minneapolis riots. I’ve done no research as to the actors in the capitol riots, but assume they were primarily right wingers angry at their jobs being lost to globalism. ---
**Author:** ![LivingGhost371](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b9e5f3/32.png) [@LivingGhost371](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LivingGhost371)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/828 "2021-04-24T00:05:45Z")
No conservative I know has social media supporting a group that’s publicly called for the murder of Twin Cities police officers. > **["Pigs in a blanket" chant at Minnesota fair riles police](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pigs-in-a-blanket-chant-at-minnesota-fair-riles-police/)** > > Hours after a Texas officer was gunned down, protesters in Minnesota yelled, "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon," prompting outrage Or who terrorized children and called for the city of Hugo to be burned to the ground > **[GOP calls DFL candidate's comments at Hugo protest 'reprehensible'](https://www.startribune.com/gop-calls-candidate-s-comments-at-hugo-protest-reprehensible/572133352/)** > > Protest at police union chief's house included loud profanity. So I figured it’s a safe assumption that people with that content are liberals. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/829 "2021-04-24T00:11:24Z")
> [@LivingGhost371](#): > > We’re talking about the Minneapolis riots, not the Capitol riots. Turns out that it was **Jas09** so I got confused by that, although it shows that most of the right wing media is misleading there too, for the issue at hand it is clear that even there the right wing sources of information leave a lot out. [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-extremists/little-evidence-of-antifa-links-in-u-s-prosecutions-of-those-charged-in-protest-violence-idUSKBN23H06J](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-minneapolis-police-extremists/little-evidence-of-antifa-links-in-u-s-prosecutions-of-those-charged-in-protest-violence-idUSKBN23H06J) ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/830 "2021-04-24T00:13:26Z")
> [@LivingGhost371](#): > > No conservative I know has social media supporting a group that’s publicly called for the murder of Twin Cities police officers. And speaking of January 6 then, remember that we ended up with dead policemen there. And we still have a mess of Republicans in congress that are actively preventing a serious investigation about who supported the rioters there. With more than just words BTW. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/831 "2021-04-24T00:15:27Z")
> [@LivingGhost371](#): > > The thread title is “Derik Chauvin” not “Capital Riots” so I’ve assumed we’ve been talking about the Minneapolis riots. I’ve done no research as to the actors in the capitol riots, but assume they were primarily right wingers angry at their jobs being lost to globalism. You’re right about the thread title, of course, but the Jan 6 issue came up in the post to which the person you were replying to (DrDeth) was replying, namely, 742: > [@BigT](#): > > This type of logic doesn’t make sense to me. Why in the world would they think that the BLM crowd would riot? That only makes sense if you think (1) black people are so stupid they wouldn’t realize they won or (2) black people are so violent that even a celebration would become a riot. > > The people we had to worry about—and who I hope your husband was concerned about—are the Blue Lives Matter folk. **They’re so sure this is a horrible injustice, and we’ve seen them choose to get violent before–not the least of which on January 6.** (my emphasis) DrDeth replied to that post, and you replied to that DrDeth post. So the chain was pretty short. This was part of the entire discussion. Granted, your own posts may not have been intended to encompass January 6. \ > [@LivingGhost371](#): > > No conservative I know has social media supporting a group that’s publicly called for the murder of Twin Cities police officers. … > > …So I figured it’s a safe assumption that people with that content are liberals. What you actually appear to be advancing as a “safe assumption” is not that “people with that content are liberals” but more that ‘all liberals approve of this content.’ Such is not the case, and any attempt to imply it is, is clearly bad-faith argumentation. Putting approval of BLM on your social media is _not_ equivalent to endorsing the murder of police officers or the burning of a city. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/832 "2021-04-24T00:53:13Z")
Right, I approve of BLM and even Antifa (with some reservations) but I have no views like those expressed in those links. In general, I even approve of the Police (with some reservations). ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/833 "2021-04-24T04:24:24Z")
> [@LivingGhost371](#): > > No conservative I know has social media supporting a group that’s publicly called for the murder of Twin Cities police officers. Do any conservatives you know publicly call for the hanging of Mike Pence or the murder of Nancy Pelosi? I’ve heard of a few… ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2021, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/834 "2021-04-24T09:47:17Z")
> [@LivingGhost371](#): > > No conservative I know has social media supporting a group that’s publicly called for the murder of Twin Cities police officers. How do the conservatives you know feel about the murder of George Floyd? Do they defend the murderer? ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/835 "2021-04-25T15:05:31Z")
AP on possibilities of Chauvin’s convinctions getting tossed: > **[EXPLAINER: Can Chauvin get his convictions tossed on appeal?](https://apnews.com/article/can-derek-chauvin-get-convinction-tossed-f6c8a442127cf264caa9cecddb1c1d23)** > > MINNEAPOLIS (AP) — The unique circumstances surrounding Derek Chauvin's trial in George Floyd's death could offer the former Minneapolis police officer some shot at winning a retrial on appeal, though most legal experts agree it's ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/836 "2021-04-26T08:24:25Z")
> [@lum\_s\_husband](#): > > Can someone tell me why leftists are allowed to cavort around freely? I resent the implication that I cavort. I am not, nor have I ever been, a cavorter. > [@LivingGhost371](#): > > I’ve done no research as to the actors in the capitol riots, but assume they were primarily right wingers angry at their jobs being lost to globalism. You sound as if you sympathize with these people. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/837 "2021-04-26T11:10:09Z")
> [@LivingGhost371](#): > > I’ve done no research as to the actors in the capitol riots, but assume they were primarily right wingers angry at their jobs being lost to globalism. Why would you assume that? ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/838 "2021-04-26T15:08:17Z")
Results of approximately three minutes’ research: [Who Were the US Capitol Rioters?](https://www.voanews.com/usa/who-were-us-capitol-rioters) . > researchers at the University of Chicago have concluded that the majority of the rioters were not members of far-right groups but “normal” Trump supporters — part of his political base. Among them were doctors, lawyers, architects and business owners. > [. . .] > Sixty-six percent are 34 years or older; 85% have jobs; 13% are business owners, while 27% hold white-collar jobs. That three minutes’ research also turned up a large number of headlines about people losing their jobs because they’d been identified as among the rioters; which couldn’t very well have been happening if they had already lost their jobs before they joined the riot. ---
**Author:** ![Deeg](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deeg/32/2955_2.png) [@Deeg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deeg)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/839 "2021-04-26T15:14:09Z")
Because that’s more palatable than “angry Republicans who fell for Trump’s lie that the election was stolen so they decided to follow his instructions to storm the capital, override the election, and install a fascist.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/840 "2021-04-26T15:18:38Z")
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