# Minnesota trial of Derek Chauvin (killer of George Floyd) reactions **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 30, 2021, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024 "2021-03-30T13:14:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1043 "2021-12-15T23:14:17Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > I read there was no parole in the federal system. Is “good time” different from parole? Yes.They’re different. It’s time off the sentence. Here’s what USBOP has to say (I didn’t follow the link to see if Chauvin is excluded from this) > The Act amended 18 U.S.C. § 3624(b) so that federal inmates can earn up to 54 days of good time credit for every year of their imposed sentence rather than for every year of their sentenced served. For example, this change means that an offender sentenced to \> 10 years in prison and who earns the maximum good time credits each year will earn 540 days of credit. > > > > > Eligible inmates can earn time credits towards pre-release custody. Offenses that make inmates ineligible to earn time credits are generally categorized as violent, or involve terrorism, espionage, human trafficking, sex and sexual exploitation; additionally excluded offenses are a repeat felon in possession of firearm, or high-level drug offenses. For more details, refer to the complete list of [disqualifying offenses](https://www.bop.gov/resources/fsa/time_credits_disqualifying_offenses.jsp). These ineligible inmates can earn other benefits, as prescribed by BOP, for successfully completing recidivism reduction programming. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1044 "2021-12-15T23:31:04Z")
by… killing him. Yes, I know the courts have ruled this is not double jeopardy, but it stinks to me. Now if an all white cop friendly jury had acquitted him, then I understand, ala Rodney King. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2021, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1045 "2021-12-15T23:39:29Z")
> [@mordecaiB](#): > > Sometimes civil rights cases are the only way police officers are punished at all But this is a situation where he _was_ convicted - and not just of manslaughter but murder. I can see that it makes sense to prosecute him just in case the murder conviction is overturned on appeal. So perhaps the way this is handled is indeed fair. If he somehow gets out of the state murder conviction/sentence, they have him on the Federal charges. But they will not use the Federal charges to _add_ to his punishment for murder, so sentences are concurrent. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2021, 9:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1046 "2021-12-16T09:00:08Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Yes.They’re different. It’s time off the sentence. Here’s what USBOP has to say (I didn’t follow the link to see if Chauvin is excluded from this) Thanks for this info and holy crap there are a lot of exceptions. Take care if you decide to do a career change to pirate, no “good time” off your sentence for that. But it doesn’t say anything about walking the plank that I saw. > [@DrDeth](#): > > by… killing him. Not really, it’s about specific illegal things that culminated in the murder. Things that every police officer should know about. If you run someone over with your car while drunk driving, you are not suddenly not guilty of DUI if you are convicted of murder. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes, I know the courts have ruled this is not double jeopardy, but it stinks to me. I understand your opinion, but I think we do need to punish LEO to the fullest extent of the law. They have government given powers and those come along with rules and responsibility. LEO doesn’t get to decide which rules they follow and which they ignore. Once you are in custody, you are in the care of thegovernment, they are responsible for your wellbeing. Face down on the ground with your hands cuffed behind your back more than qualifies as custody. Police have been skating on these kinds of crimes since forever, it’s about time we start to treat them seriously instead of the wink, wink, nudge, nudge that we usually use. > [@Riemann](#): > > I can see that it makes sense to prosecute him just in case the murder conviction is overturned on appeal. So perhaps the way this is handled is indeed fair. If he somehow gets out of the state murder conviction/sentence, they have him on the Federal charges. But they will not use the Federal charges to _add_ to his punishment for murder, so sentences are concurrent. But it will make a difference in time served. He faced 22 years, 17 with good behavior. The fed charges are 27 to 33 years. He’s probably going to have to serve another 10 years. This was a man who deliberately, slowly killed a man for no reason, in public, while being filmed. He fully thought he would be immune because of his job. I hope they add more time if he’s convicted of trying to hide his money in a fake divorce agreement. Truthfully, I wish the federal government would take the lead in a lot of these cases. I think they are usually better at it and they don’t have the worry of not angering the local police that a local DA has. LEO is always bitching about lax prison sentences, being tough on crime and making an example out of people, so this is as good as time as any to put away a murderer for a long long time. I hope Chauvin serves as an example to LEO that they can’t just go around killing people for no reason. And I hope he serves as that example for a really long time. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2022, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1047 "2022-07-08T06:28:54Z")
> **[Ex-Minneapolis cop Derek Chauvin gets 21-year federal sentence for violating...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/07/07/ex-cop-derek-chauvin-gets-more-prison-time-killing-george-floyd/7832637001/)** > > Derek Chauvin has been given a federal sentence of 21 years for violating George Floyd's civil rights when he killed Floyd using unreasonable force. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2023, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1048 "2023-06-15T20:12:30Z")
> **[Feds, Garland set to speak Friday on 2-year probe of Minneapolis police](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2023/06/15/minnepolis-police-investigation-feds-garland-set-to-speak-friday)** > > The investigation into whether Minneapolis police routinely used excessive force and violated people’s constitutional rights began in 2021 after the conviction of ex-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd. Attorney... > U.S. Attorney General Merrick Garland and other top officials with the U.S. Department of Justice are expected to speak in Minneapolis on Friday morning about the federal government’s more than two-year investigation into the Minneapolis Police Department. They might have a change of plans, though, thanks to smoke from Canadian wildfires. According to NBC News Radio, the Twin Cites are experiencing their worst air quality since records started being kept. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1049 "2023-06-16T18:45:40Z")
> **['Systemic problems' at Minneapolis Police Dept. led to George Floyd's murder,...](https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/16/politics/minneapolis-police-department-justice-george-floyd/index.html)** > > Three years after George Floyd was murdered by then-Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin, the Justice Department issued a blistering report Friday of the city’s police department, detailing racial discrimination, excessive and unlawful use of... Full report: > **[9777790c-8877-4dd9-b25f-1ca6509026c6.pdf](https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/9777790c-8877-4dd9-b25f-1ca6509026c6.pdf)** But I thought Minneapolis was a liberal voting city. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1050 "2023-06-17T23:24:54Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > But I thought Minneapolis was a liberal voting city. What the hell does that have to do with anything? There are crappy police departments in good communities and good police departments in crappy ones. There are also good and bad police departments right in the same general jurisdiction, too, as illustrated by this remarkable clip: > **[Video shows Florida officer lead deputy on high-speed chase, flee traffic stop](https://www.nbcnews.com/now/video/florida-officer-fired-after-leading-deputy-on-high-speed-chase-182516805676)** > > Police body camera footage captured the moments when Orlando police officer Alexander Shaouni lead a sheriff's deputy on a high-speed chase and later fled the scene of a traffic stop. Shaouni has since been fired and charged with reckless driving and... ETA: Click the speaker icon near the bottom of the video screen to get sound. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1051 "2023-06-18T03:48:57Z")
Using “lead” as the past tense instead of “led” is one of my pet peeves. Seeing NBC News do that consistently in that article has me all twitchy. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1052 "2023-06-18T04:27:56Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > There are crappy police departments in good communities and good police departments in crappy ones. Indeed. New Orleans, that party capitol of the United States, was notorious for not properly vetting police applicants during the Eighties. Orleans Parish has a strong liberal lean, at least when voting for presidents. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1053 "2023-06-18T05:18:01Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Seeing NBC News do that consistently in that article has me all twitchy. Bugged me, too. But the usage in the title was correct. The one in the body wasn’t. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1054 "2023-06-18T05:26:36Z")
Yeah the title was correct. ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1055 "2023-06-18T05:59:08Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > > [@EllisDee](#): > > > > Seeing NBC News do that consistently in that article has me all twitchy. > > Bugged me, too. But the usage in the title was correct. The one in the body wasn’t. So while the led with led, they buried the lead? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1056 "2023-06-18T18:45:39Z")
Lead is the weird one, since there exists a word that is spelled lead but pronounce led. ---
**Author:** ![blue\_infinity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_infinity/32/2817_2.png) [@blue\_infinity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blue_infinity)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1057 "2023-11-25T04:51:37Z")
Chauvin gets ‘shanked’ in prison. > **[Derek Chauvin, convicted of George Floyd’s murder, reported to have been...](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/25/derek-chauvin-convicted-of-george-floyds-reported-to-have-been-stabbed-in-prison)** > > It is understood the former police officer was stabbed by an inmate, according to reports citing anonymous sources > In a statement, the agency said responding employees contained the incident and performed “life-saving measures” before the inmate, who it did not name, was taken to a hospital for further treatment and evaluation. That’s just too bad, huh. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1058 "2023-11-25T05:34:20Z")
Why is this dude in a “Medium Security Facility”? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1059 "2023-11-25T05:51:10Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Why is this dude in a “Medium Security Facility”? He was moved from a high security Minnesota state prison to a medium security federal prison in 2022, because ironically (or not) it was assumed he’d be less likely to be shanked if housed with an overall less violent and non-Minnesotan group of prisoners. It was part of the plea agreement he made when he pled guilty to federal charges - his federal and state sentences to be served concurrently and in federal prison. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1060 "2023-11-25T06:03:40Z")
> [@blue\_infinity](#): > > That’s just too bad, huh. I think it is. I’ve never understood how some people seem to think that the best way to house criminals is to put them in an environment where acts of violence and retribution are tolerated and sometimes even celebrated. Most of these people will get out, someday. I think we’d all be better off ithey see the law as something that will protect them as well as punish them. Chauvin was tried and sentenced; that should be enough. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1061 "2023-11-25T12:58:15Z")
Thank you for making this point. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2023, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/1062 "2023-11-25T13:27:28Z")
I think we should run prisons in a way that’s safe and dignified for those locked away from society, not only because they will (mostly) get out some day and should be rehabilitated, but also because i think all human beings deserve a certain minimum livelihood. My dad was a doctor, and every so often his hospital housed a prisoner who needed more treatment than the prison could provide. (Usually just because “people get sick”, not due to violence.) They would often be chained to the bed and accompanied by one or more guards. He told us about one man who clearly enjoyed his hospital stay. He enjoyed playing cards with his guard, he enjoyed watching TV, and he sabotaged his care as best he could. One day he managed to insert an old-fashioned glass thermometer through his urethra into his bladder. (Spoilered for graphic detail of self-harm.) Prisons should be decent enough that it’s not an upgrade to be chained to a hospital bed, with medical conditions requiring hospitalization. But i have to admit, i saw the news alert, and thought, “it couldn’t have happened to a better man”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024.md?page=54)