# Minnesota trial of Derek Chauvin (killer of George Floyd) reactions **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 30, 2021, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024 "2021-03-30T13:14:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/101 "2021-04-02T15:41:48Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > I mean, it wasn’t just Chauvin there. Is the State (and posters here) saying that all four officers are racist assholes who didn’t care if Floyd died? All four? Or is it more likely that as a part of their training, they understood the necessity of using the force that was used and keeping an eye out on a hostile crowd More likely they were just obeying the authority, ala the [Milgram experiment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment), with the (apparently incorrect) assumption that they were just trainees and he, as their supervisor, probably knew better than they did, about what he was doing. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/102 "2021-04-02T15:43:20Z")
Are we now back to claiming he was faking it? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/103 "2021-04-02T15:45:02Z")
I never claimed he was faking it. I said that the officers could have reasonably believed he was faking it based on his actions. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/104 "2021-04-02T15:45:17Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > This is just BLM nonsense. Cite that the Bureau of Land Management was in any way involved. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/105 "2021-04-02T15:46:47Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > More likely they were just obeying the authority, ala the [Milgram experiment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment), with the (apparently incorrect) assumption that they were just trainees and he as their supervisor he probably knew better about what he was doing than they did. That’s certainly possible. It’s also possible that Chauvin was jerking his dick through his pocket like another poster suggested, sexually aroused by murdering a blacky black man. But where is the _evidence_ of that? It’s all supposition that is being placed on a guy with nothing to support it. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/106 "2021-04-02T15:47:38Z")
OK, sorry _impliying_ he was faking it. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/107 "2021-04-02T15:48:08Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Cite that the Bureau of Land Management was in any way involved. Well, Minnesota was originally populated by native peoples. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/108 "2021-04-02T15:48:38Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > It’s all supposition that is being placed on a guy with nothing to support it. Well, he did seem unconcerned about the fact his prisoner was dying in his custody. I might legitimately draw some inferences from that. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/109 "2021-04-02T15:49:05Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > > > The ones I’ve seen say that I’ve been entrusted to use my life experience to make determinations as to the credibility and motivations of the witnesses and defendant. > > What about your “life experience” tells you that Chauvin suffers from “macho oppositional defiance” or is an “asshole”? You just know by looking at him? Frankly, yes - because I’ve seen macho oppositional defiance dozens of time in my life and I’ve met hundreds of assholes. And it’s not like I just looked at a portrait of him and said “Asshole”, I’ve seen tapes of him working, I’ve seen his words quoted. I have enough life experience to tell a good lawyer from one that’s not so great, either. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/110 "2021-04-02T15:53:59Z")
the witnesses today are saying that the officers should have moved him to his side, and rendered aid even if the ambulance was on the way in. today is not looking good for mr chauvin, the witnesses are stating that he went against police training. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/111 "2021-04-02T15:55:29Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > OK, sorry _impliying_ he was faking it. The officer didn’t know if he was faking it. That’s the important part. His actions didn’t lead a reasonable person to believe he was having a legitimate medical problem or else he would have stopped. It doesn’t matter, for criminal charges, what we now know after the fact. What did Chauvin know, or reasonably should have known, then, is the important question which, thankfully, he gets a jury to decide instead of media members. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/112 "2021-04-02T15:56:44Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the witnesses today are saying that the officers should have moved him to his side, and rendered aid even if the ambulance was on the way in. today is not looking good for mr chauvin, the witnesses are stating that he went against police training. Yes, these witnesses are bad for Chauvin. But at most they support manslaughter. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/113 "2021-04-02T15:57:53Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > The officer didn’t know if he was faking it. That’s the important part. His actions didn’t lead a reasonable person to believe he was having a legitimate medical problem or else he would have stopped. So he was faking it so much he accidentally killed himself? ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/114 "2021-04-02T16:00:18Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > So he was faking it so much he accidentally killed himself? NO! You judge the action at the time. The fact that he died doesn’t make the action prior more or less bad. If he lived, should the officers face the same charges? A person can only be judged based upon what was happening in front of them. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/115 "2021-04-02T16:01:09Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Frankly, I would like an opinion by someone who doesn’t work for an agency that fired four officers for having a contrary opinion and just settled a case for $27 million. That’s just me. Well you can find the manual pages from Minnesota at the evidence exhibit here: [https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12951-TKL/Exhibit67807072020.pdf](https://www.mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12951-TKL/Exhibit67807072020.pdf) You can see the sections regarding neck restraints and the repeated focus on getting handcuffed suspects that are showing signs or claiming medical situations into a recovery position. You can also see the sections regarding calling for EMS immediately when a handcuffed suspect has a medical situation. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/116 "2021-04-02T16:05:24Z")
That quoting was way too selective. It ignored the larger point I was making about the physiological stressors and the respective expectations we might reasonably have of each actor in this kind of situation. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/117 "2021-04-02T16:06:15Z")
Yeah, I guess he should have died more seriously. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/118 "2021-04-02T16:10:47Z")
I’m looking at page 13 where you see that you can continue the neck restraint is prior methods have been unsuccessful. Further, it is negligence to not follow the guidebook, every jot and tittle? Maybe. I don’t know. If there was a clear statement: NEVER do this when situation X applies and it applied, I understand. But for other things…again, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/119 "2021-04-02T16:18:22Z")
If he’s handcuffed, then the other methods have already been successful. And all this business about how Floyd should have assumed that the cops would render medical treatment? WTF? He shouldn’t have assumed that, because, as the record very clearly indicates, it was wrong. The cops didn’t render medical treatment. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024/120 "2021-04-02T16:22:27Z")
1. They weren’t. He didn’t submit to the arrest and sit down in the car. 2. They did call 911. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minnesota-trial-of-derek-chauvin-killer-of-george-floyd-reactions/939024.md?page=7)