# minor anecdotes about famous people that creep you out. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 31, 2007, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620 "2007-08-31T14:59:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/161 "2007-09-04T17:26:49Z")
“Negligence”? You’re using the everyday meaning of the word in a discussion of whether or not Laura Bush committed a crime, and you should know better. Negligence has a particular legal meaning: > **[Negligence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligence)** > > Negligence (Lat. negligentia) is a failure to exercise appropriate and/or ethical ruled care expected to be exercised amongst specified circumstances. The area of tort law known as negligence involves harm caused by failing to act as a form of carelessness possibly with extenuating circumstances. The core concept of negligence is that people should exercise reasonable care in their actions, by taking account of the potential harm that they might foreseeably cause to other people or property Som... > **[Criminal negligence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence)** > > In criminal law, criminal negligence is an offence that involves a breach of an objective standard of behaviour expected of a defendant. It may be contrasted with strictly liable offences, which do not consider states of mind in determining criminal liability, or offenses that requires mens rea, a mental state of guilt. > To constitute a crime, there must be an actus reus (Latin for "guilty act") accompanied by the mens rea (see concurrence). Negligence shows the least level of culpability, inte... You honestly think Laura Bush committed a crime? That she would have gone to jail if the cops didn’t know of her future marriage into the politcally connected Bush family? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/162 "2007-09-04T17:34:48Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] But what is your point? Some one said she commited manslaughter and never was charged. Others (such as me) said that manslaughter is a big jump to take and there is no evidence for it. Then you say she ran a stop sign and someone died in the accident. Something no claimed didn’t happen. What is your point? And again negligence has a very specfic legal definition. If her fault was at the level of criminal negligence she should have been charged with a crime. Just going through a red light is not reason enough. [/quote] I ddidn’t say she committed manslaughter, so I don’t know why you keep coming back to that. Whether she was convicted of anything is not relevant to whether what she did could be called “creepy.” She took a human life as a result of her own negligence in running a stop sign. It’s not important to me whther you want to call that negligence “criminal” or not, but where I come from, running a stop sign actually _is_ against the law. > [@](#): > > Do you really want to defend Ted Kennedy? It was a one car accident which he didn’t report for many hours. Whose fault was it? The _cause_ of he accident is unknown. There is no evidence that it was Kennedy’s fault. > [@](#): > > (Or negligence as you insist on putting it) He didn’t get charged with anything criminal because nothing could be proved that long after the accident. Someone implied earlier that Laura Bush was drunk at the time of the accident. There was a police report stating she wasn’t. Cite for a police report stating that she wasn’t drunk? From everything I’ve read, she was never tested at all. > [@](#): > > It is a much smaller leap to think that Teddy was drunk due to his history. Can’t be proved of course cause he covered his tracks. If it can’t be proved then you can’t accuse him of negligence. Hell, we don’t even know for sure that he was the one who was driving. > [@](#): > > I don’t think his whole life and career should be defined by this one incident but you are lying to me or yourself if you think his situation was not much worse than Laura Bush’s. I think it’s about the same, but in Laura’s case, we KNOW it was her fault, in Kennedy’s case, we don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/163 "2007-09-04T17:35:35Z")
I’m still wondering what the deal is with Zach Braff. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/164 "2007-09-04T17:36:14Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] “Negligence”? You’re using the everyday meaning of the word in a discussion of whether or not Laura Bush committed a crime, and you should know better. Negligence has a particular legal meaning: > **[Negligence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligence)** > > Negligence (Latin: negligentia) is a failure to exercise appropriate care expected to be exercised in similar circumstances. Within the scope of tort law, negligence pertains to harm caused by the violation of a duty of care through a negligent act or failure to act. The concept of negligence is linked to the obligation of individuals to exercise reasonable care in their actions and to consider foreseeable harm that their conduct might cause to other people or property. The elements of a neglige... > **[Criminal negligence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_negligence)** You honestly think Laura Bush committed a crime? That she would have gone to jail if the cops didn’t know of her future marriage into the politcally connected Bush family? [/QUOTE] I never said Laura Bush “committed a crime.” Officially, she did not. That doesn’t change the fact that she killed somebody because she illegally (and negligently) ran a stop sign. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/165 "2007-09-04T17:44:16Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I never said Laura Bush “committed a crime.” Officially, she did not. That doesn’t change the fact that she killed somebody because she illegally (and negligently) ran a stop sign. [/QUOTE] But if you are not saying that then you have no point. That was what the whole discussion was about. No one was claiming that the accident didn’t happen. So what was your point? That there was an accident? Too late, we were already having a discussion about it. Were you just chiming in with a me too? When you are talking about legal issues you should use legal terms correctly or it reflects poorly on you. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/166 "2007-09-04T17:46:13Z")
[QUOTE=Unintentionally Blank] The guys around the office think that says more about Elizabeth Hurley puttin’ out than Hugh Grant being faithful. Kind of a ‘no matter how good lookin’ they are, there’s some guy out there sick of her Sh\*t.’ [/QUOTE] Amen. It doesn’t matter how good looking she is if you aren’t getting any and her presence is preventing you from getting any from anyone else. I know it’s not exactly PC, but I think that “Faithful” needs to go both ways. If you’re not putting out…EVER…then you are not being “faithful” in your relationship. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/167 "2007-09-04T17:47:58Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] But if you are not saying that then you have no point. That was what the whole discussion was about. No one was claiming that the accident didn’t happen. So what was your point? That there was an accident? Too late, we were already having a discussion about it. Were you just chiming in with a me too? When you are talking about legal issues you should use legal terms correctly or it reflects poorly on you. [/QUOTE] No, that is NOT what the discussion was about. It was NOT a legal discussion, it was a discussion about celebrities doing “creepy” things. The legalities of the Laura Bush story are irrelevant to its creepiness. Protesting that she wasn’t charged with anything is not a defense against its creepiness. She killed somebody because of her own negligence. Those facts remain undisputed. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/168 "2007-09-04T17:48:34Z")
Wait, first you say that she didn’t commit a crime, then you say that she illegally ran a stop sign. Is running a stop sign illegal or not? If you hold that it is illegal to run a stop sign how can you hold that she didn’t commit a crime? Obviously she wasn’t charged, but you seem to think she should have been. Or do you? If you don’t think she should have been charged, then what ARE you saying? ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/169 "2007-09-04T17:50:18Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I never said Laura Bush “committed a crime.” [/QUOTE] Look, I’m not a mod and I’m not trying to mod here, but please guys, get your own thread. I want to continue to read creepy stories about celebrities without having to wade through this. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/170 "2007-09-04T17:52:02Z")
[QUOTE=Sampiro] Friends and acquaintances I know who’ve gone to Trek & Sci/Fi Cons have never said one nice thing about Harlan Ellison (apparently one of the most obnoxious creatures in creation but won’t pass up a check for a Star Trek convention) with Dennis Koenig being a close second on the assholameter. OTOH, they had great things to say about George Takei (only bad thing I heard was that he gives the same speech at every convention), James Doohan, or Deforrest Kelley. [/QUOTE] Harlan Ellison is, by all accounts including his own, a total ass. About James Doohan: He’s dead now, but I thought he never went to Star Trek conventions? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/171 "2007-09-04T17:54:24Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] No, that is NOT what the discussion was about. It was NOT a legal discussion, it was a discussion about celebrities doing “creepy” things. The legalities of the Laura Bush story are irrelevant to its creepiness. Protesting that she wasn’t charged with anything is not a defense against its creepiness. She killed somebody because of her own negligence. Those facts remain undisputed. [/QUOTE] No it wasn’t. This is what it was about. > [@](#): > > Speaking of car accidents and Bushes, Laura Bush’s teenaged vehicular manslaughter is pretty creepy. No one refuted the fact that the accident happened just it being called manslaughter. So were you just joining in with a “me too Laura Bush killed someone” or did you have a point? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/172 "2007-09-04T17:55:19Z")
[QUOTE=Lemur866] Wait, first you say that she didn’t commit a crime, then you say that she illegally ran a stop sign. Is running a stop sign illegal or not? If you hold that it is illegal to run a stop sign how can you hold that she didn’t commit a crime? Obviously she wasn’t charged, but you seem to think she should have been. Or do you? If you don’t think she should have been charged, then what ARE you saying? [/QUOTE] Well, she wasn’t charged with manslaughter. It’s not in dispute that she ran the stop sign and (hopefully) no one is going to argue that just because she wasn’t charged for running a stop sign doesn’t mean itwasn’t illegal for her to do it. My “point” was that it’s “creepy” that she’s the only First Lady who ever took a human life (and she wasn’t just a hapless victim of circumstance. The collision was indisputably her fault). I have no opinion about or interest in any debate on whether she should have been criminally charged. ---
**Author:** ![Dunderman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ecb155/32.png) [@Dunderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dunderman)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/173 "2007-09-04T17:56:16Z")
[QUOTE=fruitbat] Yes he is, but Al has a sense of humor it would seem. [/QUOTE] He once said about his vegetarianism: “I still sing _My Bologna_, but I don’t mean it”. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/174 "2007-09-04T17:56:49Z")
[QUOTE=Loach] No it wasn’t. This is what it was about. No one refuted the fact that the accident happened just it being called manslaughter. So were you just joining in with a “me too Laura Bush killed someone” or did you have a point? [/QUOTE] Only that whining about whether it was technically a “crime,” doesn’t diminish its creepiness. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/175 "2007-09-04T17:59:01Z")
[QUOTE=Chimera] Look, I’m not a mod and I’m not trying to mod here, but please guys, get your own thread. I want to continue to read creepy stories about celebrities without having to wade through this. [/QUOTE] No problem. Did you ever hear the one about Rod Stewart getting his stomach pumped? ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/176 "2007-09-04T17:59:20Z")
I can’t exactly say why, but knowing that the actress who played the little girl in _Escape to Witch Mountain_ is Paris Hilton’s aunt is creepy in different ways from the perspective of either of the two individuals. ---
**Author:** ![OneCentStamp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/13edae/32.png) [@OneCentStamp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OneCentStamp)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/177 "2007-09-04T18:00:30Z")
[QUOTE=Abby\_Emma\_Sasha] I remember reading an article back in the '80s (but I can find no cite online) with Linda Lee, widow of Bruce Lee. She claimed Steven Seagal crashed Bruce’s funeral and posed for every camera that was present. Now, mind you, Linda said she had never met Seagal, nor had her husband, yet he presented himself as a “good friend” of Mr. Lee. Linda was aghast that this poseur would use her husband’s funeral to get his picture in magazines. She hated him. So do I. [/QUOTE] This seems strange to me. Bruce died in 1973, and Seagal didn’t make his film debut until 1989. Hell, in 1973 he was only 21 or so. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/178 "2007-09-04T18:02:18Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] This seems strange to me. Bruce died in 1973, and Seagal didn’t make his film debut until 1989. Hell, in 1973 he was only 21 or so. [/QUOTE] But he was still a nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/179 "2007-09-04T18:02:47Z")
[QUOTE=Priceguy] Harlan Ellison is, by all accounts including his own, a total ass. About James Doohan: He’s dead now, but I thought he never went to Star Trek conventions? [/QUOTE] I saw him at one in Chicago many years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2007, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620/180 "2007-09-04T18:03:07Z")
[QUOTE=OneCentStamp] This seems strange to me. Bruce died in 1973, and Seagal didn’t make his film debut until 1989. Hell, in 1973 he was only 21 or so. [/QUOTE] I wonder if he meant Brandon Lee. I know Seagal went to that one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minor-anecdotes-about-famous-people-that-creep-you-out/417620.md?page=10)