# Minorities should be guinea pigs in free market experiments **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 4, 2015, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785 "2015-04-04T08:08:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/1 "2015-04-04T08:08:53Z")
With various threads inspired by the Indiana religious freedom bill I’ve seen this concept introduced multiple times. The idea that gays should just walk away and take their business elsewhere if they experience bigotry. People seem to believe that if bigotry is permitted the free market will administer justice by means of socially formed economic sanctions, simple boycotts will stop gays from experiencing bigotry. Each time someone introduces this idea it’s pointed out that there is a history to show the free market doesn’t always result in justice, in some cases it the free market encouraged injustice. I think advocating that minorities should just go elsewhere represents a real ignorance of history and ignorance as to the reality in which minorities are already forced to exist in. It isn’t about being turned away once. Minorities experience day to day discrimination throughout their lives and it is exhausting. Using the law to prevent businesses from discriminating won’t end discrimination but it at least offers some relief to minorities trying to function as members of society. I considered putting a thread in great debates but we as a country have already had this debate. The free market lost it’s right to be the solution to social injustice. The Civil Rights Act was passed into law. We should not have to keep going back to debate it’s merits. Those who argue it is unnecessary may not be bigots themselves but they are advocating on behalf of bigotry wither they believe it or not. Peoples rights to be bigots should not trump a minorities right to exist or do business in a place of their choosing. Allowing bigots to turn away minorities doesn’t just force a minority to go elsewhere. It creates a minefield minorities have to walk through in order to go about their daily lives. It forces minorities to be advocates in situations they may not want to be. People should be able to go into any business in the US and expect to be serviced. If bigotry is to be allowed there is no guarantee it would be fair about presenting itself. The general public could be ignorant to a business’s bigotry and only a minority of people would even know about it. Lets move on from this concept and call it out as the ignorance it is. We as a society need to keep moving forward and not re-fighting these battles. > [@Should Mom-and-Pops That Forgo Gay Weddings Be Destroyed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-mom-and-pops-that-forgo-gay-weddings-be-destroyed/716716/3): > > Let the market handle it. > [@Should Mom-and-Pops That Forgo Gay Weddings Be Destroyed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-mom-and-pops-that-forgo-gay-weddings-be-destroyed/716716/24): > > It truly baffles me why any same-sex couple would WANT someone who opposes same-sex marriage to cater to their wedding. Why would they freely choose to give money to people who will quite possibly use that money to fight against same-sex marriage? Why would they freely choose to create a situation where every memory of their wedding has to include a memory of homophobic caterers? I think it’s rather ridiculous to condemn something as “discrimination” when the only possible way to suffer said discrimination is to go out of your way to be discriminated. > [@Should Mom-and-Pops That Forgo Gay Weddings Be Destroyed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-mom-and-pops-that-forgo-gay-weddings-be-destroyed/716716/41): > > People eat lunch every day. Regular meals are a basic human need. Wedding parties, however, usually only occur once in a lifetime. I think it’s extremely problematic to put them in the same category when it comes to discrimination law. > > I can see why a hungry homosexual would want a sandwich from a homophobe. But see no reason why a homosexual couple would want a homophobe to serve a hundred sandwiches at their wedding party. If I knew a caterer disapproved of my wedding, I wouldn’t even let him serve me if he wanted to, let alone force him to. Such a request is not a dignified one, and accordingly doesn’t deserve to be treated with dignity. > [@Should Mom-and-Pops That Forgo Gay Weddings Be Destroyed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-mom-and-pops-that-forgo-gay-weddings-be-destroyed/716716/47): > > It would be easier, sure, but it would also be unfair. Not all discrimination is harmful, and the state has no business sticking its nose in non-harmful discrimination. > > More important than frequency, I think, are these two considerations. > > 1. Is it a necessity, or a luxury? People need food and clothing and housing, so providers of such things should be required to treat all comers equally. But nobody needs diamond rings. If the local jeweler wants to ban blacks from his store, I see no reason for the law to be involved. > > 2. Is it an object, or a service? Selling an object does not imply you agree with the person to whom you sell. But if you personally provide a service, you are making the implicit statement that you think it’s a good thing that the service is being performed. Nobody should be obligated to make such a declaration against his will. > [@What exactly did the Indiana GOP \*think\* was going to happen when they passed this anti-gay law?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-did-the-indiana-gop-think-was-going-to-happen-when-they-passed-this-anti-gay-law/716378/88): > > Why is this law a bad thing? If I were LBGT I would like to know what businesses did or did not support my lifestyle and maybe choose my shopping based on that knowledge. > [@What exactly did the Indiana GOP \*think\* was going to happen when they passed this anti-gay law?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-did-the-indiana-gop-think-was-going-to-happen-when-they-passed-this-anti-gay-law/716378/90): > > Then I would assume it would be a lot easier to know which places were friendly towards LBGT. Or there may be reasons to want to leave such a small town. > > Again, why is this law a bad thing? Don’t private businesses have the right to turn away customers anyway? > > I’m not trying to stir the pot, as a straight male maybe I am not seeing the entire picture. As a Native Alaskan if I go into a business and get treated like shit, for any reason, I don’t go back. > [@What exactly did the Indiana GOP \*think\* was going to happen when they passed this anti-gay law?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-exactly-did-the-indiana-gop-think-was-going-to-happen-when-they-passed-this-anti-gay-law/716378/287): > > Then too bad. Citizens don’t have guarantees that they can get a particular good or service any time and anywhere. Maybe the only flower shop in town goes out of business, or maybe they can’t get carnations from their supplier. The government isn’t going to step in when either of those happens. > > A business transaction is between two willing parties, and I believe a free market society depends on that. > [@Should Mom-and-Pops That Forgo Gay Weddings Be Destroyed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-mom-and-pops-that-forgo-gay-weddings-be-destroyed/716716/62): > > I never have understood why the gay couple cannot just go to a different place? > > Look, its a damn wedding cake and the other case was a photographer. Its nothing life saving. This is just your typical “In your face” gay bullshit of gays trying to stomp out anyone who questions them and shove their shit down everyones throats. I’d bet the people involved are now riding on a float on a gay pride parade somewhere and are the toast of the queer community. They are the pink Rosa Parks you know! > > And all the crap gays have spewed about wanting to be left alone and just be free. Its all a freaking LIE! I dont know whats in their heads but it is not being a respected part of society. > > Sorry for the rant. > [@Should Mom-and-Pops That Forgo Gay Weddings Be Destroyed?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/should-mom-and-pops-that-forgo-gay-weddings-be-destroyed/716716/64): > > Or, they want to be famous in the gay community and what better way to get to be the pride of the Pride parade than being the person who shuts down a business. > > I mean are gays just running around begging and pleading for some business to slight them so they can go after them? What’s wrong with just taking your money somewhere else? > [@Christians: When Jesus was a carpenter, do you think he refused business from gays?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/christians-when-jesus-was-a-carpenter-do-you-think-he-refused-business-from-gays/716526/70): > > Why is it even necessary to pass a law like this? As a business owner in a supposedly free market you should have every right to provide your services to whom ever you choose to and let the market decide wether or not you will stay in business. From a business perspective your decreasing your customer base and you are risking potential bad publicity but if your so close minded that should be your choice. Look how fast all the politicians are crawfishing on this law bc major corporations and events that bring billions of dollars to the state economy are threatening to leave Indiana. If you want to commit economic suicide go right ahead! ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/2 "2015-04-04T08:17:23Z")
> **[Amendment Puts Unexpected Twist On Bill That Allows Businesses To...](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/oklahoma-discrimination-businesses-amendment_n_6859256)** > > Amendment Puts Unexpected Twist On Bill That Allows Businesses To Discriminate Against Customers I like the elegant rebuttal / amendment given here. Okay, if the new rule is, you can turn gay people away, first you have to post notices which state your intention to discriminate against them. That way, you have properly advertised your bigoted intentions, and I, as a sane potential customer, can properly shun your business from day one of your new policy, and never, ever, ever spend another dime in your establishment. And, I can then stand on the street corner outside with a big sign that says a bunch of hateful ignorant fucks operate a business here. The way I see it, it’s free advertisement. They can get all the hateful customers, and none of the fair-minded people wishing to find a proper business to patronize will accidentally patronize their business. And then their competitors will have quite an advantage. My goodness, imagine if Burger King was the only burger joint in town who didn’t discriminate against gays, I might even choke down their food and suffer through their horrible customer service, just to make sure I never spend a dime in their competitor’s shops. Free market solutions right there. I still say the superior solution is to prevent discrimination from being legal in the first place, but you open that can of worms, and I’ve got a box of sharp hooks as a response. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/3 "2015-04-04T08:24:14Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > With various threads inspired by the Indiana religious freedom bill I’ve seen this concept introduced multiple times. The idea that gays should just walk away and take their business elsewhere if they experience bigotry. People seem to believe that if bigotry is permitted the free market will administer justice by means of socially formed economic sanctions, simple boycotts will stop gays from experiencing bigotry. Each time someone introduces this idea it’s pointed out that there is a history to show the free market doesn’t always result in justice, in some cases it the free market encouraged injustice. > > I think advocating that minorities should just go elsewhere represents a real ignorance of history and ignorance as to the reality in which minorities are already forced to exist in. It isn’t about being turned away once. Minorities experience day to day discrimination throughout their lives and it is exhausting. Using the law to prevent businesses from discriminating won’t end discrimination but it at least offers some relief to minorities trying to function as members of society. > > I considered putting a thread in great debates but we as a country have already had this debate. The free market lost it’s right to be the solution to social injustice. The Civil Rights Act was passed into law. We should not have to keep going back to debate it’s merits. Those who argue it is unnecessary may not be bigots themselves but they are advocating on behalf of bigotry wither they believe it or not. > > Peoples rights to be bigots should not trump a minorities right to exist or do business in a place of their choosing. > > Allowing bigots to turn away minorities doesn’t just force a minority to go elsewhere. It creates a minefield minorities have to walk through in order to go about their daily lives. It forces minorities to be advocates in situations they may not want to be. > > People should be able to go into any business in the US and expect to be serviced. If bigotry is to be allowed there is no guarantee it would be fair about presenting itself. The general public could be ignorant to a business’s bigotry and only a minority of people would even know about it. > > Lets move on from this concept and call it out as the ignorance it is. We as a society need to keep moving forward and not re-fighting these battles. What’s the alternative? Government mandating that private institutions and facilities conform to their ideal of righteousness? What if they mandated that you must accept a gay couple’s request to be invited to a Super Bowl party in your home because you’ve invited other people? What of private citizens rights? I can’t be racist/sexist/homophobe if I want to? You’re essentially dictating how people think. I think that’s a bit more frightening than what you’re suggesting in your OP. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/4 "2015-04-04T08:27:15Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > [Oklahoma Rep. Emily Virgin Suggests Businesses Post Notice Before Discriminating Against Patrons | HuffPost Voices](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/12/oklahoma-discrimination-businesses-amendment_n_6859256.html) > And then their competitors will have quite an advantage. My goodness, imagine if Burger King was the only burger joint in town who didn’t discriminate against gays, I might even choke down their food and suffer through their horrible customer service, just to make sure I never spend a dime in their competitor’s shops. > > Free market solutions right there. Is it really an advantage? I don’t know of any other Pizza shop in Indiana that will become millionaires this week. > **[$800,000 raised for Indiana pizza shop](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/03/raised-pizza-shop-religious-freedom-spotlight/25271455/)** > > Memories Pizza found itself in the middle of Indiana's "religious freedom" law. Free market at work right there. Make a bigoted statement=profit. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/5 "2015-04-04T08:31:43Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > What’s the alternative? Government mandating that private institutions and facilities conform to their ideal of righteousness? They already do. > [@](#): > > What if they mandated that you must accept a gay couple’s request to be invited to a Super Bowl party in your home because you’ve invited other people? What of private citizens rights? A private citizen and a business open to the public are two different things. To be a business, you must surrender to the regulations and laws of the land. If the laws say you can’t refuse to serve black people, then you still have your right as a private citizen to have nothing to do with black people. The instant you intend to operate a business that serves the public, you stop being a private citizen and accept the idea of being regulated. > [@](#): > > I can’t be racist/sexist/homophobe if I want to? You’re essentially dictating how people think. I think that’s a bit more frightening than what you’re suggesting in your OP. You can, on your own free time, in your own private space, in your own home. When you set up shop to do business with the public, you’re not fighting for the right to think what you want. You’re fighting for the right to do business with the public, and the public and the government which represents the public have agreed on certain rules which must be obeyed. Fail to follow those rules, and you can go back to being a private citizen with his own thoughts about blacks, gays, jews, whatever. No one needs to care what you think, then. But if you’re purportedly doing business with the public, the public has a right to know you intend to discriminate against them, and if it’s in an illegal form, you surrender your right to be a business. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/6 "2015-04-04T08:33:38Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > What’s the alternative? Government mandating that private institutions and facilities conform to their ideal of righteousness? What if they mandated that you must accept a gay couple’s request to be invited to a Super Bowl party in your home because you’ve invited other people? What of private citizens rights? I can’t be racist/sexist/homophobe if I want to? You’re essentially dictating how people think. I think that’s a bit more frightening than what you’re suggesting in your OP. The Civil Rights Act is an alternative. If you are going to run a business you must serve everyone equally. You can be a bigot all you want in your own home. If you want to turn your home into a business and charge admission to the general public you’ll need to follow the law of the land. I don’t care what you think, I care what you do. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/7 "2015-04-04T08:34:29Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > They already do. > > A private citizen and a business open to the public are two different things. > > To be a business, you must surrender to the regulations and laws of the land. > > If the laws say you can’t refuse to serve black people, then you still have your right as a private citizen to have nothing to do with black people. Previously, yes. But the legislation in Indiana and a few other states are changing that. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/8 "2015-04-04T08:34:40Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Is it really an advantage? I don’t know of any other Pizza shop in Indiana that will become millionaires this week. > > [$800,000 raised for Indiana pizza shop](http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/03/raised-pizza-shop-religious-freedom-spotlight/25271455/) > > Free market at work right there. Make a bigoted statement=profit. Yes, that one shop, this one week. Because it’s a news story. Contrast that with those shops who do not become news stories when and if there are enough stupid idiots that this becomes widespread. Struggling pizza shop decides to no longer serve to the gay community, and those who support said community refuse to do business there, and boycott each shop one by one. And by the way, their shop closed down. They get the one time bigots get out of jail free card due to being a media story and successfully getting funds from bigots. This won’t be the typical result. The typical result is, pizza shop closes down, doesn’t make the news, no one gives a shit about ignorant fuckheads anymore once its not the top news story of the day in ignorant fuckville. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/9 "2015-04-04T08:35:33Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > The Civil Rights Act is an alternative. If you are going to run a business you must serve everyone equally. > > You can be a bigot all you want in your own home. If you want to turn your home into a business and charge admission to the general public you’ll need to follow the law of the land. I don’t care what you think, I care what you do. Of course, but this thread is about the Indiana bill which changed things. ---
**Author:** ![Askthepizzaguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/askthepizzaguy/32/9405_2.png) [@Askthepizzaguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askthepizzaguy)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/10 "2015-04-04T08:39:12Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > Previously, yes. But the legislation in Indiana and a few other states are changing that. I’m aware of the situation. The law of the land in most of the land is not about to change, and this experiment in deregulating the bigotry industry will be successful or not, and history will make that determination. Just because something is a law, or becomes the law, that does not mean it will always be the law, nor does it mean it is right. The people of Indiana will decide whether they appreciate the direction their state is headed in. The people who live in Indiana, do business with Indiana, or are considering doing business in Indiana, will also decide whether they appreciate it, and we’ll see what happens with that in due time. We’ll also see how many businesses actually follow through with the memories pizza model, and see how many survive their first fiscal year afterward. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/11 "2015-04-04T08:39:30Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > Of course, but this thread is about the Indiana bill which changed things. Well fuckhead I wrote the thread and it isn’t about the Indiana bill so there is that. The reaction to the Indiana bill is proving a majority of people and businesses aren’t looking to see things changes. They are rewriting to bill to avoid this. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/12 "2015-04-04T08:45:37Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Well fuckhead I wrote the thread and it isn’t about the Indiana bill so there is that. Please accept my 1000 pardons. Perhaps, though, you can understand my confusion, this thread started within days of the Indiana legislation, and “Indiana” being the 7th word in the OP. Yes, yes, I’ll give you time to go back and count. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/13 "2015-04-04T08:56:23Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Yes, that one shop, this one week. > > Because it’s a news story. > > Contrast that with those shops who do not become news stories when and if there are enough stupid idiots that this becomes widespread. > > Struggling pizza shop decides to no longer serve to the gay community, and those who support said community refuse to do business there, and boycott each shop one by one. > > And by the way, their shop closed down. They get the one time bigots get out of jail free card due to being a media story and successfully getting funds from bigots. > > This won’t be the typical result. > > The typical result is, pizza shop closes down, doesn’t make the news, no one gives a shit about ignorant fuckheads anymore once its not the top news story of the day in ignorant fuckville. Pat Robertson has been able to support himself by making bigoted statements for years. It remains to be seen, the maximum number of people that can be supported in the bigoted statement market. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/14 "2015-04-04T08:58:18Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > Just because something is a law, or becomes the law, that does not mean it will always be the law, nor does it mean it is right. And this is my thrust. There is legislation outlawing inherent injustice, like rape and murder; but legislation outlawing how people should think or feel should be outlawed itself. “Hey Sal, how come you ain’t got no brothers on the wall here?” ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 8:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/15 "2015-04-04T08:59:05Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > Please accept my 1000 pardons. Perhaps, though, you can understand my confusion, this thread started within days of the Indiana legislation, and “Indiana” being the 7th word in the OP. > > Yes, yes, I’ll give you time to go back and count. Sorry I didn’t include enough swears in my OP so I need to get some more in. You ignorant fuck, you’ll notice the thread title that led you to my OP didn’t mention Indiana at all, so unless you randomly click on threads without reading the title you might have noticed this thread is about: > [@](#): > > Minorities should be guinea pigs in free market experiments ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/16 "2015-04-04T09:02:16Z")
> [@boytyperanma](#): > > Sorry I didn’t include enough swears in my OP so I need to get some more in. You ignorant fuck, you’ll notice the thread title that led you to my OP didn’t mention Indiana at all, so unless you randomly click on threads without reading the title you might have noticed this thread is about: If only I read thread titles only and not the following OP. Are you trying to convince me that the fruit of your OP was contained in your title? ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/17 "2015-04-04T09:02:49Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > And this is my thrust. There is legislation outlawing inherent injustice, like rape and murder; but legislation outlawing how people should think or feel should be outlawed itself. > > “Hey Sal, how come you ain’t got no brothers on the wall here?” Do you think the Civil Rights Act ‘outlaws how people think’? Does adding sexual orientation as a protected class change that? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/18 "2015-04-04T09:04:29Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > Of course, but this thread is about the Indiana bill which changed things. No, it didn’t. Even with the bill, you can’t discriminate against any federally protected classes. And, if **Bricker** is correct, it won’t let them discriminate against gay people either, even though that’s what they wanted to happen. Civil rights are a legitimate government interest. They can try to change the law, but we as a country aren’t going to allow it. The governor already gave in and is trying to get a “clarification” of the law to make sure it can’t enable any additional discrimination against gay people. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/19 "2015-04-04T09:06:08Z")
> [@Mince](#): > > If only I read thread titles only and not the following OP. Are you trying to convince me that the fruit of your OP was contained in your title? It was contained in both the title and the OP. Apparently Indiana is the only word your dumb ass can read. There are a half dozen threads specifically about Indiana if that’s the only thing you want to discuss. I’d be happy to explain your ignorance in those as well. ---
**Author:** ![boytyperanma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4491bb/32.png) [@boytyperanma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boytyperanma)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2015, 9:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785/20 "2015-04-04T09:10:42Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > No, it didn’t. Even with the bill, you can’t discriminate against any federally protected classes. And, if **Bricker** is correct, it won’t let them discriminate against gay people either, even though that’s what they wanted to happen. Civil rights are a legitimate government interest. > > They can try to change the law, but we as a country aren’t going to allow it. The governor already gave in and is trying to get a “clarification” of the law to make sure it can’t enable any additional discrimination against gay people. I think Bricker is correct. That particular law won’t allow discrimination against gay people. In the state of Indiana it is already permissible to discriminate against gay people so there is nothing to be changed. If the governor wanted to prevent discrimination against gay people he should be looking to sign a law adding sexual orientation as a protect class, not amending a largely irrelevant bill. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-should-be-guinea-pigs-in-free-market-experiments/716785.md?page=2)