# Minorities who support Trump - why? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694 "2019-11-20T05:16:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/41 "2019-11-23T15:33:21Z")
> [@tim-n-va](#): > > Assuming you were responding to my comment about people resenting others who have it easier… > > Take someone who has gone through the immigration process and becomes a citizen. They might resent someone who enters illegally and gets amnesty so they vote for someone who is anti-amnesty. > > Someone who struggled and paid off their student debt might resent a proposal to forgive existing student debt. I happen to have done both. I honestly can’t bring myself to be resentful of those who’ve accomplished what I did through luck or by other means. I guess I’m not sufficiently small minded. Or maybe I understand that immigration is a difficult process at best of times. It can’t have been easy for those who did it illegally and I believe that it was done out of desperation rather than taking the easy path. As to student loan forgiveness… for all the talk of wanting things to be easier for our kids than for us, lots of people sure don’t vote in line with their alleged goals. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Peebles](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Jim\_Peebles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jim_Peebles)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/42 "2019-11-23T15:55:44Z")
I suggest you watch Russell Brand interview Candace Owens. Start at 33:00 for a direct answer to the OP, but I highly recommend the whole thing. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/F-OeKV1JZGI/maxresdefault.jpg "Populist Revolution - Will It Go Left Or Right? - Candace Owens & Russell Brand") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-OeKV1JZGI) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/43 "2019-11-23T17:21:06Z")
For one thing, there are some minorities who vote Trump/GOP for the same exact reasons that many whites do: they’re rich and they don’t want to be taxed. So there’s the self-interest factor at work. But going back to something that I and others might have touched on earlier, I think there are some individuals who don’t want to be seen as a minority; they want to be “American,” whatever that is. They don’t want to be part of a special, protected class. I think Sheriff David Clarke is a good example of this, having grown up in a military family, raised by lighter skin black American parents who managed to find ways to fit into broader society. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/44 "2019-11-23T18:08:47Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > I suggest you watch Russell Brand interview Candace Owens. Start at 33:00 for a direct answer to the OP, but I highly recommend the whole thing. > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-OeKV1JZGI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-OeKV1JZGI) I watched it. All of it. For the research. I won’t rebut her errors, hypocrisy and outright falsehoods because it’s all been done before. However, here’s what I concluded from that video and from Candace Owens, specifically: Minorities who support Trump share the same myopic greed and callous selfishness which motivates every Trump supporter. They see their value system reflected and projected by Trump. What did you get out of it? ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/45 "2019-11-23T20:09:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > For one thing, there are some minorities who vote Trump/GOP for the same exact reasons that many whites do: they’re rich and they don’t want to be taxed. Then this POTUS raised their taxes with arbitrary tariffs. Sucks to be fooled. ---
**Author:** ![Wrenching\_Spanners](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/ecb155/32.png) [@Wrenching\_Spanners](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wrenching_Spanners)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2019, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/46 "2019-11-23T22:12:13Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Nobody who didn’t already support the types of things Trump supported switched sides because people were mean to them. You’re coming at it from the wrong side of the argument. People saying they disagree with Trump’s trade war plans because they believe they would lead to economic consequences harmful to certain economic sectors might very well be listened to. Most people are very interested in their own self interest, and will at least sometimes pay attention to warnings about dangers. What people dismiss is insults. People can actually acknowledge the truthfulness of an opponent’s argument but reject it because of how it’s presented. Open-minded ignorance can easily be overcome by greed. Close-minded ignorance can sometimes be overcome by facts and positive arguments. It’s pretty rare for someone’s opinion to be changed as a result of them being denigrated. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2019, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/47 "2019-11-24T02:34:14Z")
> [@Jim\_Peebles](#): > > I suggest you watch Russell Brand interview Candace Owens. Start at 33:00 for a direct answer to the OP, but I highly recommend the whole thing. > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-OeKV1JZGI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-OeKV1JZGI) > [@QuickSilver](#): > > I watched it. All of it. For the research. > > I won’t rebut her errors, hypocrisy and outright falsehoods because it’s all been done before. However, here’s what I concluded from that video and from Candace Owens, specifically: > > Minorities who support Trump share the same myopic greed and callous selfishness which motivates every Trump supporter. They see their value system reflected and projected by Trump. From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens): > [@](#): > > Owens has appeared on fringe conspiracy websites, such as InfoWars.[3][5][7] In 2018, she was a guest host on Fox News.[3] After finding mainstream success, Owens distanced herself from the far-right conspiracy websites, although she refused to criticize InfoWars or its hosts.[3] She’s basically a right-wing Cynthia McKinney. ---
**Author:** ![Barack\_Obama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Barack\_Obama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barack_Obama)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/48 "2019-11-26T02:42:24Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Nobody should have voted for Trump. People voted for Trump because they held mistaken beliefs, either about Trump or the world or both. > > There’s no reason why black people or Hispanic people or Asians can’t be as mistaken in their beliefs as white people. Sure there is. Plenty of immigrants are conservative right wingers who want to make it harder and crack down on immigrants like them who aren’t rich enough or spending the time they spent to get here. They see it as they had to work hard while others get it easy. So I can certainly see why those people would support trump. You also have the vatican cultists i mean evangelicals who overwhelmingly support Trump. I don’t think they’re mistaken in their beliefs, their beliefs are pretty fucking evil so they’re just going with the flow. Theres more than just delusional idiots who emotionally invested themselves into positions without sufficient information and refuse to change their position. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 26, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/49 "2019-11-26T23:23:05Z")
Why should this be surprising at all? For one thing, Blacks and Hispanics are the two most socially conservative cohorts in the Democratic coalition. They are the most religious cohorts in the coalition as well. As the ‘face’ of the Democratic party moves away from old civil rights leaders who pushed for equality and better living standards for blacks and other minorities and becomes more the face of young white atheist urban professionals pushing social justice issues for LGBT people, feminists and immigrants, I would expect the Republicans to continue peeling off black voters. Blacks and Hispanics are more heavily impacted by illegal immigration and trade liberalization. It shouldn’t be surprising that they might like Trump’s trade protectionism and border policies. And since their incomes and jobs have improved as Trump has slapped trade tariffs on competitors and enforced borders, it shouldn’t be surprising that they might credit him with the improvements in their lives. These are the pocketbook issues that seem to be ignored by the Democrats. Black and Hispanic unemployment is at an all-time low, and incomes in both groups are rising rapidy, after falling dramatically through most of Obama’s 8 years. Whether Trump did anything for that is debatable, but Presidents get the credit when things are going well, and the blame when they aren’t. You guys have convinced yourselves so strongly that we are in dire straits that you’ve ignored the fact that for a lot of blue-collar Americans, and especially for Blacks and Hispanics, things are going better right now than they have since at least the mid-2000’s, and maybe even longer. I don’t know if these polls are outliers or not, but both the [Emerson](https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/november-national-poll-support-for-impeachment-declines-biden-and-sanders-lead-democratic-primary) and [Rasmussen](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_nov26) tracking polls have Black support for Trump at 34%. And Hispanic support at 38%. Both among likely voters. These are huge numbers - in the last election, Trump got 8% of the Black vote. If he gets 34% this time, that will translate into about 5 million more votes - if he had that last time, the election would have been a landslide in both the electoral college and the popular vote. If Trump even doubles his Black support to 16% it will be very hard for Democrats to win. Maybe the Democratic party needs to look at its own messaging, and the people it has chosen to be its standard bearers. If you continue to replace old black civil rights leaders in Congress and other old-style Democrats who built that coalition of minorities in favor of ‘woke’ socialists and young white college educated social justice types, expect to continue losing support from your traditional minority communities. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/50 "2019-11-27T01:38:22Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > I don’t know if these polls are outliers or not, but both the [Emerson](https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/november-national-poll-support-for-impeachment-declines-biden-and-sanders-lead-democratic-primary) and [Rasmussen](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_nov26) tracking polls have Black support for Trump at 34%. And Hispanic support at 38%. I don’t know about Emerson but Rasmussen always skews to the right. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/51 "2019-11-27T01:54:16Z")
Yeah, but I think Emerson is pretty down the middle, and they both came up with the same number. One caveat: the potential sampling error is high because it’s a subset of polled voters. I think ±12. So support could be as low as 22%, or as high as 46%. Given history I would think lower real numbers are more likely. But even 24% would be a tripling of his support since 2016, and a big problem for Democrats. ---
**Author:** ![str8cashhomie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7cd45c/32.png) [@str8cashhomie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/str8cashhomie)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/52 "2019-11-27T02:49:01Z")
FYI - Tracking polls are not intended to be an absolute representative sample, they intend to find a group with divierse range of views/demo information and poll them over and over again, to show deltas and trends. According to gallup, Trump’s approval among black people is about 10%: > **[WATCH: Trump launches campaign initiative to reach black voters](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-trump-launches-campaign-initiative-to-reach-black-voters)** > > President Donald Trump and his campaign are launching a new "Black Voices for Trump" outreach initiative in Atlanta dedicated to "recruiting and activating Black Americans in support of President Trump." According to a poll by The Hill, 85% of black people surveyed said they would vote for any democrat over Trump: > **[Poll: Overwhelming majority of black voters back any 2020 Democrat over Trump](https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/464680-poll-overwhelming-majority-of-black-voters-choose-any-given-2020-democrat-over/)** > > An overwhelming majority of black voters — 85 percent — said in a new Hill-HarrisX poll that they would choose any Democratic presidential candidate over President Trump.The survey, which was relea… ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/53 "2020-01-11T21:30:27Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Where is **OMG, a Black Conservative** when we need him? Did everyone forget James Brown (whose song about “doing it for myself” was part of his self-reliance as opposed to begging for Gov’t handouts) endorsing Nixon ( who was pushing a Black businesses program, while Dems just wanted more "charity/welfare’ programs). Also, Blacks recently have pushed back against Dems taking them for granted, and not giving them a seat at the table decision wise. ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2020, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/54 "2020-01-11T21:34:50Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > It’s like everyone forgot who he was running against. > > A lot of people thought it was all an act and he would become more moderate in office. also remember that despite Trumps sexual harassment, the majority of white women voted for him (and Hilary’s whole campaign ads were about that rather than policy), And Hilary was detested by many voters for various reasons ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2020, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/55 "2020-01-11T23:00:28Z")
> [@fedman](#): > > also remember that despite Trumps sexual harassment, the majority of white women voted for him (and Hilary’s whole campaign ads were about that rather than policy), And Hilary was detested by many voters for various reasons She still won more votes but her supermajority wasn’t enough. The US installs losers. What a system! ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2020, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/56 "2020-01-12T01:28:37Z")
> [@fedman](#): > > Also, Blacks recently have pushed back against Dems taking them for granted, and not giving them a seat at the table decision wise. There was a commentator somewhere who pointed out that black voters command the least power of any racial bloc. They vote so overwhelmingly Democratic that Democrats take their votes for granted and Republicans don’t even bother trying. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2020, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/57 "2020-01-12T13:46:03Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > There was a commentator somewhere who pointed out that black voters command the least power of any racial bloc. They vote so overwhelmingly Democratic that Democrats take their votes for granted and Republicans don’t even bother trying. Aren’t Democrats expected to work for Black voters, and, indeed, don’t they? ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/58 "2020-01-12T21:18:22Z")
even though many black people are liberal one area they differ is they don’t support same sex marriage. When CA voted down SSM one of the main reasons was the yes vote did not get a high percentage of black voters. ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2020, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/59 "2020-01-12T21:59:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Black Trump supporters seem to have taken him at his word about ending the school-to-prison pipeline. He hasn’t, obviously, but he’s occasionally given pardons which suggest he cares, and the Democrats and mainstream Republicans haven’t done much about it either. Even though Trump does not covey “Christian” conduct, I wonder how many Black evangelicals supported him over Hilary due to LGBT, abortion, etc ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/60 "2020-01-12T22:04:34Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Aren’t Democrats expected to work for Black voters, and, indeed, don’t they? they keep Blacks in state of dependence (welfare etc) and act smug for doing it [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694.md?page=4)