# Minorities who support Trump - why? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694 "2019-11-20T05:16:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/61 "2020-01-13T15:28:25Z")
> [@fedman](#): > > Even though Trump does not covey “Christian” conduct, I wonder how many Black evangelicals supported him over Hilary due to LGBT, abortion, etc A large percentage, no doubt. Maybe even both of them. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/62 "2020-01-13T15:39:38Z")
There are plenty of black people who are very religious especially here in the south. I don’t know if they call themselves evangelicals, some probably do use that term. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/63 "2020-01-13T16:04:36Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > I would be interested in reading a post from a person who is in a minority and voted for Trump. I can’t answer for myself, but I’ll cite my dad. He’s a first-generation immigrant from Taiwan, and despises mainland China. He’s essentially a single-issue voter, and that single issue is the U.S. relationship with Taiwan. So ever since Jimmy Carter de-recognized Taiwan in 1977 in favor of mainland China, he’s never voted for a Democrat. He did try out the old “Trump is a businessman and that’s what we need” line, but he’s smart enough to understand that a) government and business don’t really have the same goals, and b) we lived in New Jersey for many years (I grew up there) and knew just what a crook Trump was, so that line of defense collapsed pretty quickly. I don’t know if he still plans to vote Republican in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/64 "2020-01-13T18:18:55Z")
> [@The\_Tooth](#): > > Really? You watched the campaign and the debates and were still up in the air as to whether or not Trump had the intellectual and temperamental chops to manage the US’s affairs? > > I find that astounding. Keep in mind that over 60 million people voted for Trump and he won. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/65 "2020-01-13T18:45:42Z")
Why wouldn’t minorities support Trump? In the past four years wages for low income workers have increased faster than they have in at least a decade. Black and Hispanic unemployment are at all-time lows. Trump is actively outreaching to them. A better question is why minorities still vote for Democrats? Democrats used to be the party of blue collar workers and working people’s unions. Now they are the party of elite college grads. Democratic policies like national minimum wage laws and open borders directly hurt minorities. Climate change policy tends to hurt the people in the lowest income brackets the most. Democratic initiatives like renewable energy and electric cars have no resonance with poor minority voters, They are more aligned with Republicans than Democrats on ‘social justice’ issues, especially around feminism and LGBT issues. And as many blacks and hispanics ar pe coming to realize, their blind support for Democrats means the Democrats don’t have to work for their vote, so their needs are ignored. If there is a tipping point and minorities start shifting to the GOP because Democrats no longer align with their needs and beliefs, the Dems are screwed. This is the problem with intersectionality and trying to build a party out of a coalition of minorities and special interests: at some point the groups in the coalition start diverging in goals, and it gets increasingly hard to keep them together. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/66 "2020-01-13T18:55:12Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Why wouldn’t minorities support Trump? In the past four years wages for low income workers have increased faster than they have in at least a decade. Black and Hispanic unemployment are at all-time lows. Trump is actively outreaching to them. > > A better question is why minorities still vote for Democrats? Democrats used to be the party of blue collar workers and working people’s unions. Now they are the party of elite college grads. Democratic policies like national minimum wage laws and open borders directly hurt minorities. Climate change policy tends to hurt the people in the lowest income brackets the most. Democratic initiatives like renewable energy and electric cars have no resonance with poor minority voters, They are more aligned with Republicans than Democrats on ‘social justice’ issues, especially around feminism and LGBT issues. > > And as many blacks and hispanics ar pe coming to realize, their blind support for Democrats means the Democrats don’t have to work for their vote, so their needs are ignored. > > If there is a tipping point and minorities start shifting to the GOP because Democrats no longer align with their needs and beliefs, the Dems are screwed. This is the problem with intersectionality and trying to build a party out of a coalition of minorities and special interests: at some point the groups in the coalition start diverging in goals, and it gets increasingly hard to keep them together. I agree that the Democrats have not been doing a good job of meeting the needs of minorities, but luckily for them, the Republicans have doubled-down on hateful rhetoric, direct appeals to white supremacists/white nationalists, and other rhetoric that is abhorrent to most minorities (and white Americans who really care about opposing bigotry and hatred). The GOP is actually making it easier for the Democrats to ignore the needs of minorities, because they are becoming increasingly disgusting from the POV of Americans who care about fighting racism and bigotry. I wish we had two parties that cared about the needs of minorities, and cared about fighting racism, but we barely have one. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/67 "2020-01-13T19:04:47Z")
> [@EasyPhil](#): > > Keep in mind that over 60 million people voted for Trump and he won. Do you anticipate that number will rise, fall or remain the same for 2020? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/68 "2020-01-13T19:25:58Z")
Look at all the democrats rushing to embrace the white girl from Sweden who’s pushing for the environment while ignoring black suffering in our inner cities. Do democrats REALLY thing black people should see that LGBT issues are the same as the issues facing blacks? For example - some white teenager who was born a boy but now wants to be a girl - well schools should accommodate him/her if not, its the same as when blacks were not allowed to attend white schools - right? On that same issue, we have one democratic candidate, [O-Rourke](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/o-rourke-says-churches-against-gay-marriage-should-lose-tax-n1065186), for president who openly says any church that will not support gay marriage should lose its tax free status. Democrats are the party who want to take away a persons rights to purchase a handgun so a person can protect their family. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/69 "2020-01-13T19:38:27Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Look at all the democrats rushing to embrace the white girl from Sweden who’s pushing for the environment while ignoring black suffering in our inner cities. > > Do democrats REALLY thing black people should see that LGBT issues are the same as the issues facing blacks? For example - some white teenager who was born a boy but now wants to be a girl - well schools should accommodate him/her if not, its the same as when blacks were not allowed to attend white schools - right? > > On that same issue, we have one democratic candidate, [O-Rourke](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/o-rourke-says-churches-against-gay-marriage-should-lose-tax-n1065186), for president who openly says any church that will not support gay marriage should lose its tax free status. > > Democrats are the party who want to take away a persons rights to purchase a handgun so a person can protect their family. This sounds like a Trump campaign commercial, with about the same level of factual (in)accuracy. If you want to challenge any of the claims actually made by posters in this thread, feel free and you might get a response. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/70 "2020-01-13T19:39:59Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Look at all the democrats rushing to embrace the white girl from Sweden who’s pushing for the environment while ignoring black suffering in our inner cities. > > Do democrats REALLY thing black people should see that LGBT issues are the same as the issues facing blacks? For example - some white teenager who was born a boy but now wants to be a girl - well schools should accommodate him/her if not, its the same as when blacks were not allowed to attend white schools - right? > > On that same issue, we have one democratic candidate, [O-Rourke](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/o-rourke-says-churches-against-gay-marriage-should-lose-tax-n1065186), for president who openly says any church that will not support gay marriage should lose its tax free status. > > Democrats are the party who want to take away a persons rights to purchase a handgun so a person can protect their family. This says so much more about you than about any democratic party position, real or imagined. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/71 "2020-01-13T21:07:45Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > Then this POTUS raised their taxes with arbitrary tariffs. Sucks to be fooled. I’d like to interject that raising taxes (directly ) and raising taxes indirectly (tariffs) are taken vastly different, can you understand why? ---
**Author:** ![MyFootsZZZ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/myfootszzz/32/12580_2.png) [@MyFootsZZZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MyFootsZZZ)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/72 "2020-01-13T21:10:17Z")
I’ve met some, and with them it’s all about religion. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2020, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/73 "2020-01-13T21:41:31Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Why wouldn’t minorities support Trump? In the past four years wages for low income workers have increased faster than they have in at least a decade. Black and Hispanic unemployment are at all-time lows. As a minority that thinks, I realize that when a lot of the progress is based on credit, one just can not give Trump credit. 🙂 > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Trump is actively outreaching to them. That active part does require a change with his past reprehensible actions, so what about allowing minorities that served and defended America to remain in the armed forces or for \*\*legal \*\*residents to join the Army in the USA? > **[Federal Judge Blocks Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Military Enlistment Policy | ACLU](https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/federal-judge-blocks-trumps-anti-immigrant-military-enlistment-policy)** > [@](#): > > Last week, a federal court in San Francisco issued a ruling that blocks a discriminatory Trump administration policy that has prevented hundreds of lawful permanent residents — immigrants who possess green cards — from serving in the U.S. military. U.S. District Judge Jon S. Tigar found that the Trump administration provided no rational justification for the policy, which bars lawful permanent residents from serving in the military until unspecified background investigations are completed. “If there was no evidence that LPRs posed a greater security risk, this policy change is by definition arbitrary and capricious,” Judge Tigar wrote. So, no, that and many other examples, such as keeping refugee kids in cages, are very peculiar forms of reaching… > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > A better question is why minorities still vote for Democrats? Democrats used to be the party of blue collar workers and working people’s unions. Now they are the party of elite college grads. Democratic policies like national minimum wage laws and open borders directly hurt minorities. That item is a bit ignorant, all the students from poor families getting jobs at the schools I work for, getting higher minimum wages by law in Arizona (12 dollars an hour this year) are not complaining. May I remind you what is the party that is more willing to support higher minimum wage laws? > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Climate change policy tends to hurt the people in the lowest income brackets the most. Now that item is incredibly ignorant, particularly when the current policy is set by Trump and his gang… > **[Climate Change Hits Poor Hardest in U.S.](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-hits-poor-hardest/)** > > A new study finds that the poor will be disproportionally affected by global warming, even in the U.S > [@](#): > > Climate change is disproportionately affecting the poor and minorities in the United States - a “climate gap” that will grow in coming decades unless policymakers intervene, according to a University of California study. > > Everyone, the researchers say, is already starting to feel the effects of a warming planet, via heat waves, increased air pollution, drought, or more intense storms. But the impacts - on health, economics, and overall quality of life - are far more acute on society’s disadvantaged, the researchers found. > > “Climate change does not affect everyone equally in the United States,” said Rachel Morello-Frosch, associate professor at the School of Public Health at the University of California, Berkeley and lead author of The Climate Gap. “People of color and the poor will be hurt the most - unless elected officials and other policymakers intervene.” > Watching this unfold is akin to watching a movie where disparate and seemingly unrelated storylines converge to denouement that is “decidedly tragic,” the researchers wrote. > > For instance, the report finds that African Americans living in Los Angeles are almost twice as likely to die as other Los Angelenos during a heat wave. Segregated in the inner city, they’re more susceptible to the “heat island” effect, where temperatures are magnified by concrete and asphalt. Yet they’re less likely to have access to air conditioning or cars. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Democratic initiatives like renewable energy and electric cars have no resonance with poor minority voters, They are more aligned with Republicans than Democrats on ‘social justice’ issues, especially around feminism and LGBT issues. Right now the energy and car bits are pushed by the more wealthy that are showing that they do put their money where their mouth is, their efforts are useful in the sense that the progress shows what new technologies will be able to scale up better and what then a more responsible government in the future will be able to subsidize, applying that to the poor and minorities. > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > And as many blacks and hispanics ar pe coming to realize, their blind support for Democrats means the Democrats don’t have to work for their vote, so their needs are ignored. This is like the second contradiction in a few lines. (here is a hint: making efforts in social justice is not “ignoring the needs of the poor and minorities” > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If there is a tipping point and minorities start shifting to the GOP because Democrats no longer align with their needs and beliefs, the Dems are screwed. This is the problem with intersectionality and trying to build a party out of a coalition of minorities and special interests: at some point the groups in the coalition start diverging in goals, and it gets increasingly hard to keep them together. Sounds like what will happen once the orange cancerous growth is **removed**. We will deal with the slight divisions once that takes place. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/74 "2020-01-14T09:06:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > This sounds like a Trump campaign commercial, with about the same level of factual (in)accuracy. If you want to challenge any of the claims actually made by posters in this thread, feel free and you might get a response. Ok you would prefer “Because anyone who votes for Trump is an idiot”? Or would you prefer open dialogue and discussion? Which would you learn more from OR do you NOT want to learn? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 9:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/75 "2020-01-14T09:16:38Z")
> [@MyFootsZZZ](#): > > I’ve met some, and with them it’s all about religion. I do more than just “meet some” I work with them directly and hear what they are saying. Yes, religion is a big thing and when a democratic presidential candidate promises to take away a churches tax exemption because they dont agree with all the LGBT issues, people will object. Dont people have a right to their own moral values? And look at Hollywood and all the filthy and immoral crap coming from it. Who does Hollywood support the most? Democrats. Wait till the next DNC convention and it will be a parade of all the Hollywoods most perverted. Hillary had Beyonce at her rallies. Remember Weinstein? He was a big DNC supporter and gave the democrats lots of money. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/76 "2020-01-14T10:03:36Z")
I know several, and I’ve met some. They say it’s about the economy and also about fiscally running the country with better accountability — you know, Mexico will pay for the wall. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/77 "2020-01-14T10:43:47Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I do more than just “meet some” I work with them directly and hear what they are saying. Yes, religion is a big thing and when a democratic presidential candidate promises to take away a churches tax exemption because they dont agree with all the LGBT issues, people will object. Dont people have a right to their own moral values? > > And look at Hollywood and all the filthy and immoral crap coming from it. Who does Hollywood support the most? Democrats. Wait till the next DNC convention and it will be a parade of all the Hollywoods most perverted. Hillary had Beyonce at her rallies. Remember Weinstein? He was a big DNC supporter and gave the democrats lots of money. The Democrats have actually improved on this, unlike the Republicans, who’ve gotten worse. The Democrats now kick out their abusers and harassers. The Republicans elevate and celebrate their abusers and harassers – currently celebrating the President, who has bragged about sexual assault and violations of women’s consent on multiple occasions. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/78 "2020-01-14T16:44:37Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The Democrats have actually improved on this, unlike the Republicans, who’ve gotten worse. The Democrats now kick out their abusers and harassers. The Republicans elevate and celebrate their abusers and harassers – currently celebrating the President, who has bragged about sexual assault and violations of women’s consent on multiple occasions. No, the next democratic convention will have the usual parade of Hollywood celebrities and they will be celebrated no matter how perverted and disgusting their movies or music is. [Heck remember at Trumps inauguration when Bill Clinton was caught checking out Ivanka Trump.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SULcABgzJhk) Trump hasnt said those things for a long time so I dont get where you think republicans celebrate it. Anyways maybe next time the dems shouldnt throw all their eggs in one basket named Hillary. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/79 "2020-01-14T17:01:28Z")
With advice that valuable, I’m surprised you’re just giving it away. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/80 "2020-01-14T17:59:29Z")
> [@](#): > > Why wouldn’t minorities support Trump? In the past four years wages for low income workers have increased faster than they have in at least a decade. Black and Hispanic unemployment are at all-time lows. Trump is actively outreaching to them. Income inequality has increased over the past few years thanks to the disastrous Republican tax cuts. Unemployment at record lows means little when your health insurance is about to be taken away. Actively outreaching to them? Perhaps, if you count ICE raids ripping Hispanic babies from their mothers’ breasts or calling for the execution of men who have been proven innocent. > [@](#): > > A better question is why minorities still vote for Democrats? Democrats used to be the party of blue collar workers and working people’s unions. Democrats still are these things. If you have health insurance, it’s either thanks to Obamacare or thanks to some union organizers who got beat up years ago getting it for your. > [@](#): > > Now they are the party of elite college grads. Democratic policies like national minimum wage laws and open borders directly hurt minorities. This makes sense only if you believe in Republican fairy tales. > [@](#): > > Climate change policy tends to hurt the people in the lowest income brackets the most. Democratic initiatives like renewable energy and electric cars have no resonance with poor minority voters, I don’t think so. Renewable energy opens up opportunity for many good-paying jobs. > [@](#): > > They are more aligned with Republicans than Democrats on ‘social justice’ issues, especially around feminism and LGBT issues. Minorities are not monolithic on these issues. Some are indeed resistant to gay rights, others relate to non-straights as being fellow sufferers at the hands of the majority. > [@](#): > > And as many blacks and hispanics are coming to realize, their blind support for Democrats means the Democrats don’t have to work for their vote, so their needs are ignored. Makes no sense. Who is trying to suppress minority votes and gerrymander them into insignificance? Who is trying to take health care away from millions of minorities? It isn’t the Democrats. > [@](#): > > If there is a tipping point and minorities start shifting to the GOP because Democrats no longer align with their needs and beliefs, the Dems are screwed. They will only shift to the GOP if they are stupid enough to believe their lies. > [@](#): > > This is the problem with intersectionality and trying to build a party out of a coalition of minorities and special interests: at some point the groups in the coalition start diverging in goals, and it gets increasingly hard to keep them together. As opposed to building a party based on white nationalism and bigotry against all who are not straight white male Americans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694.md?page=5)