# Minorities who support Trump - why? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694 "2019-11-20T05:16:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/81 "2020-01-14T18:11:46Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And look at Hollywood and all the filthy and immoral crap coming from it. Who does Hollywood support the most? Democrats. Wait till the next DNC convention and it will be a parade of all the Hollywoods most perverted. Hillary had Beyonce at her rallies. Remember Weinstein? He was a big DNC supporter and gave the democrats lots of money. Yeah, immoral crap like _A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood_ and _Little Women_. And what’s wrong with Beyonce? I’m not a fan, but she doesn’t seem offensive. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/82 "2020-01-14T18:14:13Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > If there is a tipping point and minorities start shifting to the GOP because Democrats no longer align with their needs and beliefs, the Dems are screwed. This is the problem with intersectionality and trying to build a party out of a coalition of minorities and special interests: at some point the groups in the coalition start diverging in goals, and it gets increasingly hard to keep them together. The Dem platform isn’t a strategy to get the most votes out of the biggest base of voters possible as much as it is responding to the needs of the most people who need help and/or want to move the country forward. Yeah, we’re clumsy as hell in the way we go about it sometimes. But, regardless of race, people who want to move forward and solve problems will be more likely to vote Democratic. What’s the alternative? What are the GOP’s solutions that will lift all boats? Can minorities work with a party that has actively sought to disenfranchise them instead of winning them? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/83 "2020-01-14T18:19:02Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > No, the next democratic convention will have the usual parade of Hollywood celebrities and they will be celebrated no matter how perverted and disgusting their movies or music is. [Heck remember at Trumps inauguration when Bill Clinton was caught checking out Ivanka Trump.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SULcABgzJhk) > > Trump hasnt said those things for a long time so I dont get where you think republicans celebrate it. Anyways maybe next time the dems shouldnt throw all their eggs in one basket named Hillary. Trump has continuously and continually denigrated women, through the present, especially those women who spoke out about their experiences with him (i.e. the women who said he assaulted them). If you’ve missed this, it’s out in public for all to see, again and again – here’s an example: [Trump Shrugs Off Rape Accuser as 'Not My Type.' Accuser Natasha Stoynoff Shoots Back: Your 'Type' Is Any Woman in Reach.](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/trump-shrugs-off-rape-accuser-193535011.html) There are many others. Most Republicans continue to support and celebrate an admitted sexual abuser who bragged about violating the consent of women and has been credibly accused of rape and sexual assault on multiple occasions over decades. I’m sure you’d prefer to pretend this uncomfortable fact isn’t real, but that doesn’t change reality. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/84 "2020-01-14T19:27:53Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > I do more than just “meet some” I work with them directly and hear what they are saying. Yes, religion is a big thing and when a democratic presidential candidate promises to take away a churches tax exemption because they dont agree with all the LGBT issues, people will object. Are people going to stop going to church if churches no longer get a tax exemption? > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Dont people have a right to their own moral values? Not at the expense of human rights they don’t. Fuck those moral values. > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And look at Hollywood and all the filthy and immoral crap coming from it. You think that shit goes on only in Hollywood? The church has been committing and getting away with immoral crap far longer than Hollywood. > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Who does Hollywood support the most? Democrats. Wait till the next DNC convention and it will be a parade of all the Hollywoods most perverted. Hillary had Beyonce at her rallies. Remember Weinstein? He was a big DNC supporter and gave the democrats lots of money. And now he’s on trial for rape and will be going to jail and no amount of money is going to help him. You act like Republicans don’t have their share of scumbags. Should we compare notes or do you want to reconsider acting as if GOP shit don’t stink? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/85 "2020-01-14T19:30:41Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Are people going to stop going to church if churches no longer get a tax exemption? FTR, I think churches should get taxed like any other non-profits. And churches getting taxed won’t led people to stop coming. But to specifically tailor tax policy on the basis of LGBT beliefs is politically-motivated targeting. It would be akin to Republicans saying that all clinics that provide mammograms should be tax-free, except for those who promote abortion liked Planned Parenthood, which should be taxed. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/86 "2020-01-14T19:34:26Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > FTR, I think churches should get taxed like any other non-profits. And churches getting taxed won’t led people to stop coming. But to specifically tailor tax policy on the basis of LGBT beliefs is politically-motivated targeting. It would be akin to Republicans saying that all clinics that provide mammograms should be tax-free, except for those who promote abortion liked Planned Parenthood, which should be taxed. It’s LGBTQ now, but I think it’s more about human rights in general rather than one specific group du jour. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/87 "2020-01-14T19:38:34Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > On that same issue, we have one democratic candidate, [O-Rourke](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/o-rourke-says-churches-against-gay-marriage-should-lose-tax-n1065186), for president who openly says any church that will not support gay marriage should lose its tax free status. Beto “O-Rourke” dropped out of the Democratic primary nearly two months ago. > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > And look at Hollywood and all the filthy and immoral crap coming from it. Who does Hollywood support the most? Democrats. Wait till the next DNC convention and it will be a parade of all the Hollywoods most perverted. Hillary had Beyonce at her rallies. Remember Weinstein? He was a big DNC supporter and gave the democrats lots of money. Say it ain’t so. Hillary had a pop star at one of her rallies? Shocking! It’s a good thing Donald Trump and the Republicans would never pal around with some disgusting entertainer. [Especially not one who was an open paedophile and who threatened to murder Clinton on stage](https://ultimateclassicrock.com/ted-nugent-donald-trump-white-house/). ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/88 "2020-01-14T19:59:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > This says so much more about you than about any democratic party position, real or imagined. The OP question is why do minorities support Trump. People like me who arent neccesarily democrats gave some responses. The OP wanted to learn (I guess/hope). Why are you arguing with me and others? Why cant it just be “thank you for your insight/opinion” and leave it at that? I mean this could just be a dem board where everyone races for the coveted “I Hate Trump the Most” award where everyone just agrees with each other but what good is that? Whatever happened to listening and learning? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/89 "2020-01-14T20:35:28Z")
Y’know guys… “Explanation is NOT Justification.” Someone answering why members of a minority group voted for Trump (be s/he insider or outsider), is not necessarily telling you it was RIGHT for them to have voted for Trump. They may be, but not necessarily. OTOH, “because, Hollywood celebrities” is one pretty damn lousy explanation, when Trump himself is a professional tabloid celebrity. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/90 "2020-01-14T20:43:10Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > OTOH, “because, Hollywood celebrities” is one pretty damn lousy explanation, when Trump himself is a professional tabloid celebrity. Ok, you got me there. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/91 "2020-01-14T20:47:54Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Why wouldn’t minorities support Trump? Because the modern GOP is a white nationalist party that is actively hostile to the well being of non-whites, and no matter how much PR and disinformation the GOP throws at this issue, pretty much everyone knows and understands this fact. The GOP over the last 50 years has made a deal with southern white and rural whites to win their votes by supporting their regressive racial agenda. The real question is why do so many white women vote GOP. Trump won about 57% of the white vote, but his share of the non-white vote was only as OP said about 8% for blacks, and about 1/4 of asians and latinos. But white women still love the GOP despite the hostility to things like reproductive rights. However college educated white women, according to polls, are now supporting the democrats by nearly a 30 point margin in 2020. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/92 "2020-01-14T21:33:32Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > The OP question is why do minorities support Trump. People like me who arent neccesarily democrats gave some responses. The OP wanted to learn (I guess/hope). > > Why are you arguing with me and others? Why cant it just be “thank you for your insight/opinion” and leave it at that? > > I mean this could just be a dem board where everyone races for the coveted “I Hate Trump the Most” award where everyone just agrees with each other but what good is that? > > Whatever happened to listening and learning? This is what you wrote: > [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Look at all the democrats rushing to embrace the white girl from Sweden who’s pushing for the environment while ignoring black suffering in our inner cities. > > Do democrats REALLY thing black people should see that LGBT issues are the same as the issues facing blacks? For example - some white teenager who was born a boy but now wants to be a girl - well schools should accommodate him/her if not, its the same as when blacks were not allowed to attend white schools - right? > > On that same issue, we have one democratic candidate, [O-Rourke](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/o-rourke-says-churches-against-gay-marriage-should-lose-tax-n1065186), for president who openly says any church that will not support gay marriage should lose its tax free status. > > Democrats are the party who want to take away a persons rights to purchase a handgun so a person can protect their family. In what way does the above address the OP question about minorities voting for Trump? Because it sounds very much like every concern ever expressed by a white conservative evangelical Trump voter. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/93 "2020-01-14T21:35:54Z")
a lot of religious folks would probably vote for Jerry Sandusky if he was anti abortion. ---
**Author:** ![jo1010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/35a633/32.png) [@jo1010](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jo1010)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/94 "2020-01-15T02:42:08Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Why wouldn’t minorities support Trump? In the past four years wages for low income workers have increased faster than they have in at least a decade. Black and Hispanic unemployment are at all-time lows. Trump is actively outreaching to them. Black unemployment fell faster under Obama than Trump. The LA Times had an article back in May about how black unemployment was on the rise again. Because of Trump’s tariffs manufacturing has been in recession for months and farm bankruptcies have skyrocketed. Trump hasn’t been good for the working class. [Scholars.org](http://Scholars.org) has an interesting article titled “UNDER DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENTS, MINORITIES MAKE ECONOMIC GAINS - AND SO DO WHITES” that says “Across the years of Democratic leadership, black poverty declined by a net of 23.6 percentage points, but grew by three points when Republicans held the White House.” And this makes sense when you think about it. Democrats push for a higher minimum wage, affordable healthcare, affordable childcare, affordable college, etc. all things that people of any race trying to work their way into the middle class benefit from. The biggest problem facing blacks is not that Democrats take advantage of them. It’s that Democrats don’t get elected to the presidency often enough. As a result, black poverty isn’t falling as fast as it could falling. ---
**Author:** ![road\_lobo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d78d45/32.png) [@road\_lobo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/road_lobo)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/95 "2020-01-15T10:07:35Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > The real question is why do so many white women vote GOP. Many white women are bigots. They grew up in the same households as conservative white men. They are not feminists. There is no mystery. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/96 "2020-01-15T11:54:53Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > In what way does the above address the OP question about minorities voting for Trump? > > Because it sounds very much like every concern ever expressed by a white conservative evangelical Trump voter. He said it. Some blacks like some whites have not bought into the whole SJW thing and have no problem with Trump. Some like their company health insurance and don’t want to see the system bombed and rebuilt. Some like their church that has opposed SSM since it’s founding and don’t want to have to increase donations X% to keep the same level of church services. Some are anti-abortion. Some don’t favor LGBTQ, etc. For the same reason many whites do. Just because someone is black does not mean that they tick off all of the boxes on the Democratic Party platform. That’s a good answer. I don’t understand why that is so hard to believe. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/97 "2020-01-15T13:39:46Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > For the same reason many whites do. Just because someone is black does not mean that they tick off all of the boxes on the Democratic Party platform. That’s a good answer. I don’t understand why that is so hard to believe. That is fair enough and I think correct. But all the boxes in the Democratic platform that they don’t tick off are far outweighed by these boxes in the Republican platform: - Gerrymander black votes into insignificance - Repeal the ACA and with it having children covered to age 26 - Purge black voters with some made up fig leaf justifying it - Suspect every brown citizen of not being a citizen - Put children in cages and rip suckling infants from their mothers’ breasts - Destroy Social Security (an 80+ year crusade) and destroy Medicare (a 50+ year crusade) - Gut environmental protections - Bust unions For most sensible people of all races, these Republican positions outweigh by far any concerns they may have with the Democratic platform. ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/98 "2020-01-15T13:41:03Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Income inequality has increased over the past few years thanks to the disastrous Republican tax cuts. Unemployment at record lows means little when your health insurance is about to be taken away. Actively outreaching to them? Perhaps, if you count ICE raids ripping Hispanic babies from their mothers’ breasts or calling for the execution of men who have been proven innocent. Income inequality? Be careful where you get your data from. The published census data does not account for taxes and most welfare payments, and paints a distorted picture. Look, Trump is a jerk and a buffoon but the census data skews our views. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/99 "2020-01-15T14:03:21Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Income inequality? Be careful where you get your data from. The published census data does not account for taxes and most welfare payments, and paints a distorted picture. Look, Trump is a jerk and a buffoon but the census data skews our views. [From Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_inequality_in_the_United_States) > [@](#): > > In September 2019, the Census Bureau reported that income inequality in the United States had reached its highest level in 50 years, with the GINI index increasing from 48.2 in 2017 to 48.5 in 2018. > Before taxes and transfers, all income groups will see income growth, with the largest increases being for the highest and lowest quintiles. After taxes and transfers, that income growth is more skewed toward the higher income households. > Income inequality is projected to increase, both before taxes and transfers, and after taxes and transfers, from Ginis of .513 to .521 and .423 to .437, respectively. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/100 "2020-01-15T14:20:33Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > Income inequality? Be careful where you get your data from. The published census data does not account for taxes and most welfare payments, and paints a distorted picture. Look, Trump is a jerk and a buffoon but the census data skews our views. Certainly, you’re not arguing that income inequality isn’t growing? Piketty, T., & Saez, E. (2014). Inequality in the long run. Science, 344(6186), 838-843. Tsui, A. S., Enderle, G., & Jiang, K. (2018). Income inequality in the United States: Reflections on the role of corporations. Saez, E. (2018). Striking it richer: The evolution of top incomes in the United States. In Inequality in the 21st Century (pp. 39-42). Routledge. Saez, E., & Zucman, G. (2016). Wealth inequality in the United States since 1913: Evidence from capitalized income tax data. The Quarterly Journal of Economics, 131(2), 519-578. Smith, A. D. (2019). Income Inequality, Polarization and Electoral Politics in the United States (Doctoral dissertation, Georgetown University). Jones, C. I., & Kim, J. (2018). A Schumpeterian model of top income inequality. Journal of Political Economy, 126(5), 1785-1826. And so on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694.md?page=6)