# Minorities who support Trump - why? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 20, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694 "2019-11-20T05:16:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/121 "2020-01-16T14:02:54Z")
Some People: Why do minorities/women vote for Trump? Other People: Because X, Y, and Z Some People: But that’s _ **WRONG!!** _ and it’s NOT TRUE!! Y’see, all my life I’ve seen people acting on information and premises that are wrong and/or not true in matters both routine and critical. So it does happen. Repeating “but that’s wrong and not true” does not make it not\* be what was on the voters’ mind\* when they did it. Sure, I agree, NOBODY sensible should have fallen for Trumps’ bull but that argument needed to have been made, aggressively and implacably and pulling no punches, by the entire GOP establishment from the very day he announced. Instead they danced around it avoiding direct confrontation, in the hope that when he would “inevitably” quit they’d harvest his fans, until it was too damn late. > [@Velocity](#): > > The best explanation may be that the 53% of white women who voted for Trump genuinely do \*\*\*not \*\*\*feel that Republicans are hostile or aggressive to them; indeed, they may find it a cozy, familiar and welcoming environment. > > Incidentally, it’s noteworthy that we don’t have a single conservative woman here on the Dope (at least as far as I know of.) We’ve had a black conservative, Hispanic conservatives, Asian conservatives, atheist conservatives, etc. - but not a woman conservative here, despite women being demographically more numerous than those other categories. Errrmm… You do understand that when it comes down to it, we here could all be classified as alt-media nerds (the Straight Dope having been born in the alternative press of the 70s) wherein the female demographic is kind of underrepresented to begin with. But that could get us looped back into a whole 'nother discussion about “unwelcoming environments” that we’ve been having here on the Dope for years. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/122 "2020-01-16T15:34:17Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Some People: Why do minorities/women vote for Trump? > Other People: Because X, Y, and Z > Some People: But that’s _ **WRONG!!** _ and it’s NOT TRUE!! Exactly. Some people don’t understand that whether a perception is true or not is irrelevant as far as voting is concerned - and also much less important than whether the perception \*\*\*exists \*\*\*or not. If John Smith the gun owner believes that Democrats are going to come snatch his guns away, he’s going to vote against the D’s. Whether that belief is well-founded or not is absolutely irrelevant in the ballot booth. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/123 "2020-01-16T20:35:27Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > You know Candace Owens isn’t sincere right? She just realized there were more fame and money in being a Trump conservative. Cite ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/124 "2020-01-16T20:43:29Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Cite Her usefulness as a token to people like you? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/125 "2020-01-16T21:01:14Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Unless celebrating gropers and sexual assaulters, and acting against serious and thorough investigations into rape and sexual assault, counts as “hostile to women”. I think it counts, but YMMV. You mean Bill Clinton? No, wait… Maybe Teddy Kennedy? Ralph Northam? Still in the good graces of the Democratic party, despite wearing blackface and posing with a goof in a Klan outfit. John Conyers Junior? Maybe Senator Franken doesn’t quite count, as he only pretended to grope a woman. And Hollywood is both about 90% Democrat, and a sea of sexual exploitation. The truth is, sexual exploitation is about _power_, not ideology. There are as many sexual abusers among Democrats as there are among Republicans. And there are just as many people on both sides willing to look the other way and ‘move on’ when a sexual predator is politically powerful and aligned with their ideology. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/126 "2020-01-16T21:03:08Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Because under no reasonable metric is the GOP hostile to women. Unless you think that women as a whole simply want to be able to have as many abortions as possible. Also, the Democrats have been hostile to white males, and who do you think is married to white males? White females, mostly. What hurts their husbands hurts them. That’s one reason why you see a huge split between single and married women. Single women vote for Democrats, and married women are more likely to vote Republican. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/127 "2020-01-16T21:06:27Z")
Please explain how the Democrats have been hostile to white males. I am one, and I haven’t a clue what you are on about. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/128 "2020-01-16T21:40:17Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Please explain how the Democrats have been hostile to white males. I am one, and I haven’t a clue what you are on about. I think this explains the “why do white women vote for Trump when the GOP hates women?” question, just from the opposite stance. Many women or minorities who vote GOP, when asked, “Why do you vote for the party hostile to you?” would respond the same way. Before someone says “Not both sides!” or “the Republicans ARE hostile to women!” - it’s the \*\*\*perception \*\*\*that matters, and if a Republican voter doesn’t feel oppressed by their own party, they don’t feel oppressed. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/129 "2020-01-16T22:04:51Z")
You’re not helping explain anything but to underscore the ways in which they act out based on irrational feelings rather than well informed decisions. Their _perceptions_ are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/130 "2020-01-16T22:28:13Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > You mean Bill Clinton? No, wait… Maybe Teddy Kennedy? Those assholes are dead or out of office. The Democratic party used to be just like the Republican party – tolerant of rape. Now it’s not. It’s actually changed for the better (if not nearly good enough), while the Republicans have gotten much worse. > [@](#): > > Ralph Northam? Still in the good graces of the Democratic party, despite wearing blackface and posing with a goof in a Klan outfit. Good graces? Most Democrats recommended he resign. He has absolutely no future in the party. I’m sure the Republicans would welcome him. But I’m unaware of any accusations of sexual assault against Northam anyway, so I’m not sure how he’s relevant here. > [@](#): > > John Conyers Junior? Maybe Senator Franken doesn’t quite count, as he only pretended to grope a woman. Both were pushed to resign by the party. They left because the party has actually improved. At the same time, the Republicans celebrate and defend their groper/rapist in chief. > [@](#): > > And Hollywood is both about 90% Democrat, and a sea of sexual exploitation. Just as the Catholic and Evangelical churches are overwhelmingly Republican, and are as much, if not more, a “sea of sexual exploitation”. > [@](#): > > The truth is, sexual exploitation is about _power_, not ideology. There are as many sexual abusers among Democrats as there are among Republicans. And there are just as many people on both sides willing to look the other way and ‘move on’ when a sexual predator is politically powerful and aligned with their ideology. This used to be true. Not any more. Now the Democratic party has actually improved and proved that they’ve improved – see Franken and many others. The Democrats actually kick out their abusers. The Republicans celebrate and elevate theirs. The parties aren’t the same on everything. On some issues, they’re actually different. This is one of them, and many of the examples you brought up prove it – the modern Democratic party pushes out their abusers, gropers, and rapists, while the modern Republican party celebrates and elevates theirs. I oppose rape and sexual assault, and I oppose the Party of Rape/Sexual Assault (i.e. the GOP). I urge others to also fight against this party that celebrates and elevates the abusers of women among them. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2020, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/131 "2020-01-16T22:56:48Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > You’re not helping explain anything but to underscore the ways in which they act out based on irrational feelings rather than well informed decisions. Their _perceptions_ are wrong. Yes. However ISTM that IS an explanation to why the vote was what it was. What you seem to be objecting to is the lack of a satisfactory answer as to how could they possibly have developed that wrong perception. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/132 "2020-01-17T00:43:15Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Because under no reasonable metric is the GOP hostile to women. Unless you think that women as a whole simply want to be able to have as many abortions as possible. Abortion is largely a proxy for controlling a woman’s body and controlling her decisions. The GOP is also making inroads on birth control too for the same reason. Trumpism is alienating women a little bit, so there is that. > **[Hostility toward women is one of the strongest predictors of Trump support](https://www.vox.com/2016/11/1/13480416/trump-supporters-sexism)** > > Long before the leaked Access Hollywood tape, sexists were with him. [https://psmag.com/social-justice/more-evidence-that-racism-and-sexism-were-key-to-trump-victory](https://psmag.com/social-justice/more-evidence-that-racism-and-sexism-were-key-to-trump-victory) ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/133 "2020-01-17T01:39:55Z")
> [@Airbeck](#): > > Her usefulness as a token to people like you? People like me? That’s no cite. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/134 "2020-01-17T15:17:56Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Abortion is largely a proxy for controlling a woman’s body and controlling her decisions. The GOP is also making inroads on birth control too for the same reason. > > Trumpism is alienating women a little bit, so there is that. > > [Hostility toward women is one of the strongest predictors of Trump support | Vox](https://www.vox.com/2016/11/1/13480416/trump-supporters-sexism) > > [More Evidence That Racism and Sexism Were Key to Trump's Victory](https://psmag.com/social-justice/more-evidence-that-racism-and-sexism-were-key-to-trump-victory) All laws control your decisions. I cannot inject heroin into my body, for example, and I must wear a seat belt around my body in a car. Nobody has absolute freedom to make whatever choice they desire simply because it’s their body. That argument is really a red herring. But this isn’t an abortion debate; I was responding to the idea that women as a whole must positively hate the GOP because they won’t permit them to have abortions. This idea that women as a whole are demanding the right to abortion is simply not true. A sizable number of women do not support legal abortion, so they don’t feel oppressed by this policy in any way. ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/135 "2020-01-17T15:50:11Z")
> [@RioRico](#): > > She still won more votes but her supermajority wasn’t enough. The US installs losers. What a system! i was only referring to white women voters ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/136 "2020-01-17T16:03:46Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Because the modern GOP is a white nationalist party that is actively hostile to the well being of non-whites, and no matter how much PR and disinformation the GOP throws at this issue, pretty much everyone knows and understands this fact. The GOP over the last 50 years has made a deal with southern white and rural whites to win their votes by supporting their regressive racial agenda. > > The real question is why do so many white women vote GOP. Trump won about 57% of the white vote, but his share of the non-white vote was only as OP said about 8% for blacks, and about 1/4 of asians and latinos. But white women still love the GOP despite the hostility to things like reproductive rights. > > However college educated white women, according to polls, are now supporting the democrats by nearly a 30 point margin in 2020. my you conveniently ignore alleged “super liberal” JFK who also catered to Southern White vote. He asked MLK not to have march, called him ML Coon in private, refused to send Federal troops to South (that was Bobby’s work), and didn’t push Civil Rights Bill–that was LBJ who did ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/137 "2020-01-17T16:09:11Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > One Democratic candidate out of ~20 suggested it, and promptly dropped out of the race. It’s never been a plank in any Democratic manifesto, nor has it ever been suggested by a prior Democratic presidential nominee. > > So you are sure “it will be the new policy” because…? because the LGBTQ caucus has more clout in DNP and celebrity followers than church crowd ---
**Author:** ![fedman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/278dde/32.png) [@fedman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fedman)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/138 "2020-01-17T16:13:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Bullpucky. People have been purged from rolls for failing to return a postcard to verify that they are still at the same address. > Those kids often still have low-status jobs that offer crappy, if any, health insurance. > Not a handout, these are programs that help the working poor. “working poor”? Welfare mothers (too busy screwing around to seek work) spreading legs and having babies with no man to support them, knowing Gov’t will subsidize their life-style ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/139 "2020-01-17T22:05:36Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > You just made my point. > > “The Truth About Income Inequality”, The Wall Street Journal. > [https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-truth-about-income-inequality-11572813786](https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-truth-about-income-inequality-11572813786) As this economist puts it, the authors of that _opinion_ are still just selling a lot of bull. > **[Opinion: Vanishing Inequality, the Devil's Greatest Trick](https://ctexaminer.com/2019/11/15/opinion-vanishing-inequality-devils-greatest-trick/)** > > One of my favorite movies is the 1995 whodunit “The Usual Suspects.” The last line of the film has always stuck with me: “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.” > [@](#): > > Perhaps what is most unforgivable in Gramm and Early’s effort, though, is the fact that they fail to cite the work of predecessors using the same technique. The main thrust of their argument is that one must adjust income for taxes and transfers in order to evaluate whether income is truly unequal. > > In theory a government could create a perfectly equal post-tax income distribution by positively taxing the rich and negatively taxing (paying) the poor in just the right way. Gramm and Early wrongly imply this is happening far more than commonly understood. > > Thomas Piketty earned his PhD in economics from the London School of Economics at an age when most people are struggling to finish undergraduate studies on time. He then taught as a faculty member at MIT. In 2017, he and his co-authors published an extensive paper on American inequality in the Quarterly Journal of Economics (one of the best journals in our field) using the post-tax adjustment which Gramm and Early erroneously suggest is novel to 2019. > [@](#): > > If income were a NASCAR race, the richest among us would start the race in pole position and travel at a speed more than 9 times faster than the poorest among us, even after the government put a limiter on the engines of the rich, and gave a “boost” to the engines of the poor. We are growing farther and farther apart. Our society is increasingly unequal. > > Don’t let Gramm, Early, and their friends at the Wall Street Journal succeed at the devil’s gambit. Severe inequality exists in America and it is getting worse. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2020, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694/140 "2020-01-17T23:57:05Z")
> [@fedman](#): > > because the LGBTQ caucus has more clout in DNP and celebrity followers than church crowd That sound appropriate, since the LGBTQ movement has been about advancing civil rights and the “church crowd”, in modern times at least, has been about restricting them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/minorities-who-support-trump-why/843694.md?page=8)