Which is one factor that is often ignored: among us there are many who for a lifetime just plain and simply defaulted to vote for the (R) option on the ballot (among Hispanics, the Florida Cubans are a huge share of that percentage, but not all of it) out of regular conservatism - probusiness, “family values”, strong defense, you know the shpiel. It remains to be seen if that will hold on 2020. I am not sanguine on a major change from recoil at the Trump horror: my home crowd will match anyone in doubling down rather than admit error.
It’s like everyone forgot who he was running against.
A lot of people thought it was all an act and he would become more moderate in office.
Someone just wrote a book about Clarence Thomas. I haven’t and won’t read it and it is unfair to base comments on reading a review of the book, but FWIW, here goes. First he believes that blacks should forgo all the affirmative action stuff and pull themselves by their bootstraps, start businesses, get rich and generally ignore all the ways in which the deck is stacked against them. Formerly by legally enforced segregation, then by Fanny Mae enforced residential segregation, currently, according to recent news by biased real estate agents. By getting second rate schools and so on. Thomas thinks all this can and should be ignored and also seems to find affirmative action somewhat insulting as it can be taken to mean that blacks can get ahead only with an artificial boost.
Given all this it seems clear that someone like Thomas may well vote for Trump. I find it harder to believe that an evangelical could not only have voted for him but continue their unabated support. Do these bible thumpers have any idea whatever of the actual contents? Even ignoring his personal life, his policies are so un-Christian as to be staggering.
It seems the fundy jeezoids, er I mean evangelicals, will accept ANYTHING that may kill Roe v Wade, and will make ANY Satanic deal. Stacking federal courts to eliminate rights for women, queers, atheists, and anti-fascists - check. Locking up refugee kids - check. Euthanizing Muslims, Hindus, Quakers, but not Scientologists - check.
Am I off-topic to note that fundy jeezoids, er I mean evangelicals, follow Paul, not Jesus?
They kept telling you that the lord works in mysterious ways. But you wouldn’t believe them. Not so smart now, are you?
Some peopkw who overcome difficult circumstances resent those who have it easier.
What does that even mean?
Blacks, Latinos, gay people, and other minorities can be just as conservative as white people. Conservatism as a trait doesn’t discriminate by race, gender, or sexual orientation, and my guess is that the numbers of people who trend conservative is probably the same across race, gender, and sexual orientation. Given that, the question is not why are there some minorities who support Trump, but why aren’t there more? The answer to that question is because some of the otherwise conservative minorities vote Democratic because the white conservatives push them out of the party. My hypothesis is that if the white conservatives stopped being bigoted, the Republican party would swell with the ranks of conservative minorities who no longer feel unwelcome in that party.
Apologies for the double post. In support of my theory, I think this is why we have the phenomenon of black Democrats being less comfortable with a gay candidate than white Democrats. The black Democrats are a mix of both conservative and liberal blacks, whereas the white Democrats are mostly liberal, since the conservative whites are all in the Republican party.
It’s always disheartening to hear how I am supposed to vote because of one or more groups to which I belong. It’s racist, sexist, ableist, elitist; _____ist.
I voted for Trump because he was an unknown quantity, Hillary Clinton was a known quantity, and the weight I gave to the various issues differs from other voters.
Same with why I vote for anyone. Party is almost irrelevant.
How on Earth was Donald Trump an unknown quantity for you on Election Day? Had you just awoken from a year long coma?
Democrats would be in an extremely strong position it they would just focus on the issues and treat Trump supporters with respect.
Honestly, I think many people voted for Trump because of the types of comments that are showing up in this thread.
The position that the only people that could have voted for Trump are from the “basket of deplorables” or are people that just don’t get it, or are confused or victims in some way, really drove up Trump’s support.
Assuming you were responding to my comment about people resenting others who have it easier…
Take someone who has gone through the immigration process and becomes a citizen. They might resent someone who enters illegally and gets amnesty so they vote for someone who is anti-amnesty.
Someone who struggled and paid off their student debt might resent a proposal to forgive existing student debt.
Nobody who didn’t already support the types of things Trump supported switched sides because people were mean to them.
Here’s a quote from a gay acquaintance of mine that I’d call a Chik Fil A gay. I’ve paraphrased an excerpt from his social media rant.
‘Medicare for all sounds great except we’d be wasting money on fat people, druggies, and lazy bums who don’t want to work.’
I’m sure you can find people in all minority groups who feel similar.
A coma? No.
Unknown as in how he would perform in a political office.
Bribery, bankruptcy, perjury… about the same as in private life, but more so because power. No surprise.
I agree with this, and would just add that a certain percentage were in the “Anyone but Hillary” camp.
I have known many folks of both races who have no real political belief, except that they are contrarians who think they’re smarter than the rest of the sheep in the herd.
There are some folks who unfortunately buy into the trope that only losers claim that they’re affected by racism, and want to believe that they aren’t losers.
Really? You watched the campaign and the debates and were still up in the air as to whether or not Trump had the intellectual and temperamental chops to manage the US’s affairs?
I find that astounding.