# Mint Julep's Mexico Story **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 11, 2012, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934 "2012-07-11T22:11:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/61 "2012-07-12T13:07:58Z")
> [@Emiliana](#): > > \ > Ejido land (distributed through the agrarian reform program) is owned by the state; ejidatarios have usufruct rights that can be bequeathed to family members but not (legally) sold or rented. As of 1992, ejidos can be privatized but not many have been. > \ \ _Ejidos_, along with another form of village called _comunidades_, make up Mexico’s “social property.” Together this covers about 50% of Mexico’s land area. Most of these village lands are rural, but a few are on the urbanizing fringe of big cities. Much of the Riviera Maya (the coast from Cancun to Tulum) is ejido land. Since the 1992 neoliberal land tenure reform, an ejido (village) assembly can choose to lease its land to, say, a developer;or, they can have their individual parcels surveyed and converted to private lots (_dominio pleno_). As Emiliana indicated, only a minority of the 30,000 ejidos have taken this last step; and, even within those, most just have privatized a few parcels, so far. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/62 "2012-07-12T13:12:25Z")
> [@NOLA\_Cajun](#): > > This has to be the oddest pitting I’ve ever seen. Kinda mean too. So because you and “yours” have no knowledge of this incident that makes it untrue? > > Perhaps Mint isn’t exactly your cup-o-tea. But a pitting? Really? I think this pitting may deserve a pitting. > > Your name reminds me of a good joke though: What do you call a blonde walking on her hands? A brunette with bad breath. Or would that answer have to be revised these days to “A bald woman with bad breath”? Kinda mean? A Pitting that’s kind of mean? Listen, in a current Pitting, I’ve been called an amoral fuckwad because I want people to identify themselves before they cast a vote. THAT’S “kinda mean.” This Pitting, gently expressing skepticism and apologizing in advance for having done so, is a lover’s kiss. This thing is the oiled back massage of Pittings, completely with aromotherapy and Enya music. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/63 "2012-07-12T13:14:56Z")
> [@Malleus\_Incus\_Stapes](#): > > I think Sephardic Jews would be more likely to speak Ladino. How do you say “Oye, I’m such a schmuck” in Ladino? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/64 "2012-07-12T13:19:36Z")
One does wonder. I like **Mint Julep**. I read her thread about her dad and believed it, then posted in there. Then so soon after, the stabbing story. I did have a fleeting thought that the dad story was legit, but that she had really liked the attention, and so kind of made up another story. Like really, the guy just chased another guy and beat him up a little, and she changed it to “STABBING him! SEVEN times!” The line that really got me was the bit about “I don’t only post about drama…” Now it’s certainly quite possible that two such dramatic incidents could happen in one person’s life quickly one after another…but it does stretch the imagination a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/65 "2012-07-12T13:19:39Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > But being as this is a #4 Phillips, the most powerful screwdriver in the world, and would blow your head clean off… It’s a screwdriver, man. Shoulda said “and would twist your head clean off…” ---
**Author:** ![CBEscapee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b19c9b/32.png) [@CBEscapee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CBEscapee)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/66 "2012-07-12T13:20:49Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > \ _Ejidos_, along with another form of village called _comunidades_, make up Mexico’s “social property.” Together this covers about 50% of Mexico’s land area. Most of these village lands are rural, but a few are on the urbanizing fringe of big cities. Much of the Riviera Maya (the coast from Cancun to Tulum) is ejido land. Since the 1992 neoliberal land tenure reform, an ejido (village) assembly can choose to lease its land to, say, a developer;or, they can have their individual parcels surveyed and converted to private lots (_dominio pleno_). As Emiliana indicated, only a minority of the 30,000 ejidos have taken this last step; and, even within those, most just have privatized a few parcels, so far. To continue this hijack, as an ejidatario I can attest that many ejidos or parts of have been privitized, mainly on the coasts. And the land has been purchased by many foreigners either through a fidecomiso or corporation. Most small pueblos are surrounded by ejido land and as the population grows they spill over onto ejido property which in many cases gets converted to private land. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/67 "2012-07-12T13:21:46Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This thing is the oiled back massage of Pittings, completely with aromotherapy and Enya music. Is there a Happy Ending? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/68 "2012-07-12T13:23:27Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > This thing is the oiled back massage of Pittings, completely with aromotherapy and Enya music. Fuck Enya; this bitch is pumping up the jams with Nana Mouskouri. ---
**Author:** ![Azeotrope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/0ea827/32.png) [@Azeotrope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Azeotrope)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/69 "2012-07-12T13:23:37Z")
> [@NOLA\_Cajun](#): > > Your name reminds me of a good joke though: What do you call a blonde walking on her hands? A brunette with bad breath. Or would that answer have to be revised these days to “A bald woman with bad breath”? :dubious: What’s the _good_ joke? ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/70 "2012-07-12T13:39:14Z")
Also: who sullies good bourbon with mint leaves? Rich assholes in fancy suits and hats that bet on animal cruelty, that’s who! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/71 "2012-07-12T13:48:36Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > good bourbon The terms are mutually exclusive. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/72 "2012-07-12T14:05:30Z")
I read the thread and did notice that the OP, started on July 9th (Monday), says “stabbed 7 times yesterday” while the described incident happened Friday night (July 6th). But then I thought maybe she just heard the story on Sunday. I also found it odd that they were all stateside the very next day. Also, can you really know that it was 7 times? I mean, who’s counting? But then I thought maybe a police report mentioned the 7 stabbings. At the end, I believed that this is the story that was relayed to her, but was not confident about how accurately the person reporting it to her was with their story. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/73 "2012-07-12T14:08:27Z")
> [@NOLA\_Cajun](#): > > This has to be the oddest pitting I’ve ever seen. Kinda mean too. So because you and “yours” have no knowledge of this incident that makes it untrue? > > Perhaps Mint isn’t exactly your cup-o-tea. But a pitting? Really? I think this pitting may deserve a pitting. > > . . . I tend to agree. Just because the local gossip mill doesn’t support the OP’s story we’re going to call it a fake? That’s a new level for _cite please_. I don’t know if it’s true, half true, or a Twilight Zone repeat. I don’t care. It’s a message board and it’s entertaining. I think the level of hijacking in this thread represents the general feeling of the board towards this pitting. _yawn_ ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/74 "2012-07-12T14:11:26Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I tend to agree. Just because the local gossip mill doesn’t support the OP’s story we’re going to call it a fake? That’s a new level for _cite please_. > > I don’t know if it’s true, half true, or a Twilight Zone repeat. I don’t care. It’s a message board and it’s entertaining. > > I think the level of hijacking in this thread represents the general feeling of the board towards this pitting. > > _yawn_ Or maybe its just people screwing around while they are waiting for MJ to reply to the polite request for clarification. If you like reading fiction I can recommend some good authors. Much better quality than you can get on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/75 "2012-07-12T14:13:48Z")
No, I’m pretty sure it’s been hijacked. In fact, I’m checking with the local gossip mill to see if there’s been a ransom demand yet. ---
**Author:** ![Rhythmdvl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85f322/32.png) [@Rhythmdvl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhythmdvl)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/76 "2012-07-12T14:20:11Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > If you like reading fiction I can recommend some good authors. Much better quality than you can get on a message board. In fact, some of our writers are downright horrid. Take **Boyo Jim** , for example. He wrote one of the worst openings out there. So bad he got a [Special Award](http://www.bulwer-lytton.com/2007win.html)for it! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/77 "2012-07-12T14:21:38Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I don’t know if it’s true, half true, or a Twilight Zone repeat. I don’t care. It’s a message board and it’s entertaining. Is this something we should keep in mind the next time _you_ pass along any information? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/78 "2012-07-12T14:31:00Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Is this something we should keep in mind the next time _you_ pass along any information? I’ll be sure and cite the _National Enquirer_ as my authority. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/79 "2012-07-12T14:38:10Z")
> [@JKellyMap](#): > > Quite so. I always assumed the predominance of “-z” surnames in Spanish has its roots in Late Latin/Proto-Spanish _plurals_. Like, the precursor of “José Martínez” would have meant “José of the Martins”; that is, of the “Martin” clan, the family whose paterfamilias just called himself “Martin”. I assumed this mainly because so many of those “-z” surnames resemble first names. > But correct me if I’m wrong! > I know this is continuing a hijack, but we might as well discuss other things until MintJulep offers her (his?) defense or retraction Don’t think so, it was very much an individual name before becoming a family name; would “of X” when it means “from X” also be a genitive, anybody knows? My cases-grammar-fu is having a brainfart. An example, the first few kings of Nájera/Pamplona/Navarre (at first the kingdom was called like its capital, so it changed names a bit until “Navarra” stuck) were the Aristas or Íñigos: Íñigo Jiménez (already Iggy son of Jimeno), his son… Íñigo Íñiguez, called Íñigo Arista or _el Vascón_ “the Basque”, his son… García Íñiguez, his son… Fortún Garcés (this lastname, which ends in -s rather than -z but is otherwise the same form, does exist nowadays, although García is more common), switch of dynasty to the so-called Jimenos or Ximenos Sancho Garcés (son of García Ximénez, who had managed to marry his children to half the princes(ses)), his son… García Sánchez, his son… Sancho Garcés II (called _Abarca_, “he who has a long reach”), his son… García Sánchez II, his son… Sancho Garcés III el Mayor “the greater” (yeah, it was a family name), his son… García Sánchez III (oh look, the other family name), his son… it basically goes in the same vein until the 13th century. During the same four centuries in which all this Son-of was going on, other families already had fixed family names; someone could get a pile-up of a patronymic plus a toponymic plus a family name; but my point is that basically the -es/-ez spent centuries being an individual thing (not just in Navarre, but that particular list is easy to find and very representative). ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2012, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934/80 "2012-07-12T14:42:47Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > It’s a screwdriver, man. Shoulda said “and would twist your head clean off…” Maybe not one of the all-time greats, but still a rather pleasing post/user name combo. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mint-juleps-mexico-story/627934.md?page=5)