# Miscarriage of Justice Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643 "2021-06-04T20:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/181 "2023-09-27T19:04:41Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > But WTF?? We had DNA science in 1995!!! Why did they not test it??? It was initially very limited and only certain samples could be tested. When better techniques were developed, then they could test degraded DNA and get results. That’s why you hear of tests being done in recent years to exonerate people who were convicted decades ago. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/182 "2023-09-27T19:14:14Z")
The true miscarriage is that all 5 can still be employed as law enforcement officers elsewhere. Hell, they might already have new LEO jobs. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/183 "2023-10-17T12:32:47Z")
> An exonerated man who spent 16 years behind bars after being wrongfully convicted of a violent crime in Broward County was shot and killed by a Georgia deputy during a traffic stop Monday morning, authorities said. Leonard Allan Cure, 53, was the first person to be exonerated by the Conviction Review Unit of the Broward State Attorney’s Office. Now, he’s being mourned by those who helped him get out of prison. [https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article280618809.html](https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article280618809.html) ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/184 "2023-10-17T16:51:48Z")
Well, Driving While Black, so doubtless a criminal deserving execution. /s ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/185 "2023-10-17T16:56:21Z")
I’m not holding my breath for bodycam video. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/186 "2023-10-17T17:09:57Z")
> The Georgia Bureau of Investigation told USA TODAY on Tuesday that the deputy pulled Cure over for reckless driving and speeding. > **[Body cam video shows violent exchange before deputy fatally shoots previously...](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/17/georgia-deputy-fatally-shoots-leonard-allan-cure/71212916007/)** > > The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is investigating the fatal shooting of Leonard Allan Cure by a Camden County deputy on Monday. What’s the general rule of thumb as to when you get arrested vs just getting a traffic ticket for reckless driving and speeding? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/187 "2023-10-17T18:56:50Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > What’s the general rule of thumb as to when you get arrested vs just getting a traffic ticket for reckless driving and speeding? Step 1, put your thumb next to a brown paper bag. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/188 "2023-10-17T21:25:24Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > What’s the general rule of thumb as to when you get arrested vs just getting a traffic ticket for reckless driving and speeding? I don’t know how things go in Georgia, or whether or not they have changed in the past 30 years, but in Tennessee in the 1990s going 25 mph over the posted limit was considered speeding and reckless driving and required “going Downtown,” at least, that’s what the TN State trooper told me when he clocked me at 84 in 1993 (double nickel era) but wrote it up for only 70. Apparently, 15 over was just speeding and a ticket. Twenty-nine over was reckless and required, as a minimum, the driver to be brought in. But, it shouldn’t be a capital offense. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2023, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/189 "2023-10-17T21:33:00Z")
I feel fairly certain his crime was Disrespect of Athouritah. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2023, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/190 "2023-10-18T12:13:21Z")
My best guess would be that he understandably panicked when the officer said he was going to arrest him. Then, since the average police officer is so good at de-escalation, things went to shit quickly. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/191 "2023-10-19T20:28:52Z")
Oh, for fuck’s sake. # [An Oklahoma Judge Was Accused Of Sending Hundreds Of Inappropriate Text Messages To Her Bailiff During A Murder Trial](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/an-oklahoma-judge-was-accused-of-sending-hundreds-of-inappropriate-text-messages-to-her-bailiff-during-a-murder-trial/ar-AA1inpbB?cvid=0d80a2833f144b7b80a0d0d9cf5ccb9b&ei=39) > In July, a local news outlet published security footage of Traci in court, scrolling through and writing text messages on her cell phone during the murder trial while people were testifying at the stand. > > In a recent petition written by Oklahoma Chief Justice John Kane, Traci has been accused of sending 500 text messages back and forth with her bailiff during court, and some of the messages were very inappropriate. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/192 "2023-10-19T20:30:33Z")
This seems to have more info: > **[Oklahoma judge sent over 500 texts during murder trial, including messages...](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oklahoma-judge-traci-soderstrom-texts-murder-trial-messages-mocking-prosecutor-witness/)** > > Lincoln County District Judge Traci Soderstrom could lose her job for sending more than 500 texts to her bailiff during a murder trial. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/193 "2023-11-14T07:10:40Z")
[Houston riot of 1917 convictions overturned](https://www.military.com/daily-news/2023/11/13/more-100-years-later-army-overturns-convictions-of-110-black-soldiers-after-1917-houston-riots.html) > The [Army](https://www.military.com/army) overturned the convictions of 110 Black soldiers charged with mutiny, assault and murder after the 1917 “Houston Riot” – a deadly fray spurred by racial tension in Jim Crow Texas that saw more than 100 troops march from their camp into the city after police pistol-whipped and shot at a Black corporal. > > The ensuing trial was the largest in [military history](https://military.com/history) and resulted in more than 60 life sentences and 19 hangings of Black soldiers from 3rd Battalion, 24th Infantry Regiment, for mutiny. An initial 13 of those hangings were the largest mass execution of American soldiers by the U.S. Army in its history. This paragraph is of import: > In a ceremony Monday at the Buffalo Soldier Museum in Houston, Army officials said that, after historians found many “irregularities” in the way the charges were leveled, the convictions were vacated and the records of the service members will now reflect honorable discharges. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/194 "2023-11-14T16:38:02Z")
“the records of the service members will now reflect honorable discharges.” – including the ones who were executed or spent the rest of their lives in prison? And only 106 years later? I wonder if any surviving family members will get any comfort at all from this. Not to mention the possibly hundreds of descendants who were never born because of this act. I think, if I were in any way related to any of the executed or imprisoned victims, I would still be bitter. I know, it’s better than nothing. This incident and its aftermath need a much wider airing, and I hope they will get it. There are far, far too many of these cases, even these specific cases that involved Black military members who were in the service because of WWI. White folks, especially in the South, didn’t like seeing Blacks in uniform, especially with any rank insignia (even corporal) and felt free to express their feelings with assaults and murders. Too few people know about this particular ugly period in our history. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/195 "2023-11-14T16:51:23Z")
Cue whinge: _“YOOOUUU are the ones being DIIIVIIISIIIVE, by going back over this!! Whyyyy bring it up and make those courts look bad?”_ ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/196 "2023-11-14T16:57:56Z")
It will make the children feel _BAD_, and you know their delicate feelings are more important than the truth. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/197 "2023-11-14T19:46:52Z")
> [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > I know, it’s better than nothing. It’s also the best outcome you can hope for at this point, assuming you don’t have a time machine available. > [@Roderick\_Femm](#): > > This incident and its aftermath need a much wider airing, and I hope they will get it. There are far, far too many of these cases, even these specific cases that involved Black military members who were in the service because of WWI. Agreed. We should have a national holiday specifically honoring people of color who served. Because far too many didn’t get the credit they deserved at the time, and their contributions are often ignored. Plus, they put up with a lot more shit than white people did. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/198 "2023-11-14T21:47:54Z")
I read Sammy Davis Jr.s Auto biography. He was seriously beaten at least once when he was in the army. I read it some 40 years ago, but I do remember he was accosted in a bathroom. I think he served just about the time the services were integrated. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/199 "2023-11-15T11:30:35Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Cue whinge: _“YOOOUUU are the ones being DIIIVIIISIIIVE, by going back over this!! Whyyyy bring it up and make those courts look bad?”_ Been reading the comments on the article I linked, have you? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/200 "2023-11-15T20:06:26Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I’m not holding my breath for bodycam video. That and to copcar camera show him attacking the officer even after being tased. > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > I feel fairly certain his crime was Disrespect of Athouritah. As in trying to choke the cop. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643.md?page=11)