# Miscarriage of Justice Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643 "2021-06-04T20:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/201 "2023-11-15T20:45:03Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > camera show him attacking the officer even after being tased. Did he attack the officer before being tased? Curious if you noticed that part or not. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/202 "2023-11-16T01:00:09Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > That and to copcar camera show him attacking the officer even after being tased. When a man fears for his life he’ll do the silliest things, won’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/203 "2023-11-16T01:39:39Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > When a man fears for his life he’ll do the silliest things, won’t he? So being afraid of the cop makes it … what? Right? Acceptable? Smart? to attack a cop? Oh and if you look at the whole video, the driver was aggressive from the very beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/204 "2023-11-16T01:57:31Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So being afraid of the cop makes it … what? Right? Acceptable? Smart? How about “understandable?” ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/205 "2023-11-16T02:04:00Z")
So if I manufacture the “being afraid of the cop” because I refuse to follow his directions it is OK to attack him? Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/206 "2023-11-16T02:12:09Z")
How about you don’t need to manufacture it, and you’re afraid because he’s already attacked you? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/207 "2023-11-16T04:21:46Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So if I manufacture the “being afraid of the cop” because I refuse to follow his directions it is OK to attack him? Good to know. _No one_ has said this, or even implied it. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/208 "2023-11-16T05:36:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > _No one_ has said this, or even implied it. Then why are posters here defending his attack on the cop when the driver got tased for not following directions. Every time a cop escalates a situation that leads to violence since the cop is not in fear of his safety, the cop gets blamed. Seems like a double standard. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/209 "2023-11-16T05:43:39Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Every time a cop escalates a situation that leads to violence since the cop is not in fear of his safety, the cop gets blamed. Could you please re-phrase this more clearly? You appear to be saying that if a cop is not in fear of his safety and the cop escalates the situation so that it leads to violence, the cop should not be blamed for the results. Is that right? Because if that is what you are saying, it does not make sense to me. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/210 "2023-11-16T05:53:01Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So if I manufacture the “being afraid of the cop” because I refuse to follow his directions it is OK to attack him? Not even remotely what I said. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/211 "2023-11-16T05:56:01Z")
What I am saying is when cops escalate a situation and then use violence to quell the situation and claim they were afraid for their safety, we rightfully do not give them a pass saying that they were the ones that made the situation dangerous. With this driver, he was told to put his hand behind his back. He then lifted his hand after being aggressive during the entire stop and so the cop tased him. He then attacked the cop and tried to choke him. > When a man fears for his life he’ll do the silliest things, won’t he? > How about “understandable?” Maybe I misunderstood what Czarcasm and Miller are saying. I read it as they were giving the driver a pass on attacking the cop because he feared for his life. But the thing is, the driver put himself there by not following directions and getting tased. That is a double standard wherein the driver can escalate the situation then use “fear of my safety” to rationalize violence to the cop. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/212 "2023-11-16T06:32:12Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Then why are posters here defending his attack on the cop when the driver got tased for not following directions. That is NOT a good enough reason to tase someone, you sadistic jackass. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Maybe I misunderstood what Czarcasm and Miller are saying. And maybe you are doing so deliberately. Have you ever been tased? Do you think it is easy to follow directions, _or even understand directions_, while electricity shoots through your body? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/213 "2023-11-16T13:06:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Have you ever been tased? Do you think it is easy to follow directions, _or even understand directions_, while electricity shoots through your body? It is easy to put your hands behind you back when told and not get tased. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > That is NOT a good enough reason to tase someone, you sadistic jackass. Maybe you should watch the video before you comment on it. Because clearly you have no clue what you are talking about. Or what is worse is that you watched the video and are still spouting this idiocy. But of course you believe when stopped by a cop it is ok to be aggressive and then flail your hands around and EVERYTHING that goes wrong at a traffic stop is the cops fault. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/214 "2023-11-16T13:56:49Z")
I particularly liked Mr. Cure’s tip off that he’s, at least, SovCit adjacent. “I’m not driving.” ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/215 "2023-11-16T14:06:27Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > He then lifted his hand after being aggressive during the entire stop and so the cop tased him. The cop tased him in the back after he pointed his hand in the air. 50,000 volts. In the back. Because he pointed his hand straight up in the air. This is what we call: > [@](#): > > cops escalate a situation and then use violence to quell the situation ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/216 "2023-11-16T15:15:00Z")
So in that scenario is OK for the driver to try to kill the cop by choking him. Got it. Oh and just curious, is raising your hand straight up in the air the same as putting it behind your back? Because that’s what the cop told him to do. But I guess it is unreasonable to expect people to follow directions from cops. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/217 "2023-11-16T16:03:39Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Oh and just curious, is raising your hand straight up in the air the same as putting it behind your back? No, it’s different. It just isn’t **50,000 volts in your back** different. Tasering someone for pointing to the sky is escalating the situation. Cops are trained specifically to escalate situations, with the expectation that ramping up the threat or actuality of violence will cause the other person to cower in fear, (or collapse from pain/injury) so that the officer can be fully in charge. It works, as long as you accept the occasional (if you want to call 3 a day “occasional”) killing of someone who failed to cower/collapse the way the cop wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/218 "2023-11-16T16:08:14Z")
So the driver would have been tased had he A) Put his hand behind his back as ordered? B) Done nothing? Specifically left both hands on the truck? Hint: the answer is none of the above. The cop had to make a split second decision when the driver made a motion that was not what the cop ordered. Interesting that people here believe that it’s OK to do things other than what the cops tell you to do … especially wild hand gestures. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/219 "2023-11-16T16:12:17Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > especially wild hand gestures. That whole pointing at the ground thing… ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/220 "2023-11-16T16:17:49Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > That whole pointing at the ground thing… Nope. Shooting his hand up when told to put it behind his back. What people are condoning is this. Driver is aggressive from the start. Drunk? High? Asshole? Bad day? Who knows? Driver told to do A by cop Driver doesn’t do A. Driver doesn’t even not do A. Driver does B. Driver gets tased as a result. Driver then attacks and tries to choke the cop. Because he got tased. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643.md?page=12)