# Miscarriage of Justice Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643 "2021-06-04T20:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/221 "2023-11-16T16:21:09Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Nope. A separate thing. Totally looked to me like he was trying to distract the officer so he could attack him. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/222 "2023-11-16T16:33:01Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > The cop had to make a split second decision when the driver made a motion that was not what the cop ordered. He was 6 feet away, with his back to the cop, one hand on the truck, one hand straight up in the air. Whether or not “driver does B” deserves a tasing depends on what B is. The mere fact that B isn’t A is not justification for trying to incapacitate someone with an electric shock. B needs to be something that genuinely deserves a violent response, but cops in the US often go to the violent response when B is annoying, inconvenient, or simply not what they want. I’m fucking sick of it. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/223 "2023-11-16T16:35:04Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So in that scenario is OK for the driver to try to kill the cop by choking him. Ridiclous! Clearly this, [![](https://www.theblaze.com/media-library/liberal-media-and-activists-appear-keen-to-gloss-over-critical-detail-about-fatal-police-shooting-of-leonard-cure-in-georgia.jpg?id=49882563&width=1245&height=700&quality=85&coordinates=0%2C104%2C0%2C104) ](https://www.theblaze.com/media-library/liberal-media-and-activists-appear-keen-to-gloss-over-critical-detail-about-fatal-police-shooting-of-leonard-cure-in-georgia.jpg?id=49882563&width=1245&height=700&quality=85&coordinates=0%2C104%2C0%2C104) is just a roadside chiropractic adjustment. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/224 "2023-11-16T17:04:31Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > The cop tased him in the back after he pointed his hand in the air. Cure had already pulled away from the officer twice. According to many guides, this constitutes active resistance and poses a risk of escalation to violence by the subject. Cure’s hostile statements and refusal to comply with verbal instructions to put his hands on the truck (or behind his back), taken by themselves, do not constitute active resistance - but taken together with his prior instances of pulling away, and his size and muscular build, Cure would have presented a significant risk to the officer’s safety if the officer had attempted to physical force Cure into handcuffs. > [@Czarcasm](#): > > Have you ever been tased? Do you think it is easy to follow directions, _or even understand directions_, while electricity shoots through your body? _While_ the shocks are happening, it’s generally not physically possible to do much at all. Use of force guides advise that the after a volley of shocks ends, the subject should be given time to recover their wits and comply with commands. In Cure’s case, it doesn’t look like the electrode darts were well-positioned, as he remains standing throughout the entire volley of shocks (rigidly falling over seems to be the typical response for most people hit with a taser). When the shocks stop, he’s not disoriented/overwhelmed; he doesn’t need a moment to collect his wits, he immediately turns to go after the officer. He’s not even trying to get away; there’s a moment later where he’s free of the officer’s grasp, but comes back to attack him some more. He’s busy trying to fold the officer’s head back against his spine when the officer finally draws his gun and fires a single shot. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/225 "2023-11-16T17:06:20Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > He’s busy trying to fold the officer’s head back against his spine when the officer finally draws his gun and fires a single shot. After attempting to use his baton. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/226 "2023-11-16T17:13:06Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > According to many guides, this constitutes active resistance and poses a risk of escalation to violence by the subject. Who writes these guides? Were they written by the same folks who have killed 20,000 Americans in the last 20 years? Of course they were, because they’re the “experts” who are training our police forces to be excessively violent. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/227 "2023-11-16T18:39:33Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > Who writes these guides? Were they written by the same folks who have killed 20,000 Americans in the last 20 years? Of course they were, because they’re the “experts” who are training our police forces to be excessively violent. Is there someone out there who would have a better idea of what behaviors identify a subject who poses an elevated risk of resorting to violent resistance? ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/228 "2023-11-16T19:49:42Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > Is there someone out there who would have a better idea of what behaviors identify a subject who poses an elevated risk of resorting to violent resistance? Well, maybe law enforcement experts from a different place that doesn’t kill their own citizens by the truckload? It’s a thought. Somehow the UK deals with violent drunken assholes all the time, and have killed fewer people in the last 20 years than our country’s LEOs have killed in the last month. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/229 "2023-11-17T17:53:20Z")
Police kill a pedestrian with their car and toss the body in a pauper’s grave without notifying the family. Autopsy finds his wallet with name and address still in his pocket > **[Dexter Wade, buried without his family’s knowledge, had ID on him with his...](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dexter-wade-buried-mississippi-id-home-address-lawyer-says-rcna125511)** > > Wade, 37, was run over by a police cruiser in March and buried in a pauper's grave. His mother searched for him for months before learning what happened. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/230 "2023-11-17T18:14:06Z")
> [@Andy\_L](#): > > Police kill a pedestrian with their car and toss the body in a pauper’s grave without notifying the family. Absent from that article is any indication that there is an investigation for cops who killed a guy with their car. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/231 "2023-11-17T18:50:33Z")
Yes that absence does stand out ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [November 27, 2023, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/232 "2023-11-27T22:40:18Z")
> **[Manhattan district attorney moves to exonerate two men convicted of murder](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/27/new-york-murder-exoneration-wayne-gardine-jabar-walker)** > > Wayne Garbine and Jabar Walker were found guilty of murders in the 1990s near Harlem police precinct known for corruption ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/233 "2023-11-28T01:42:09Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > [Manhattan district attorney moves to exonerate two men convicted of murder | New York | The Guardian](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/nov/27/new-york-murder-exoneration-wayne-gardine-jabar-walker) Umm, a police precinct is _known for corruption_. How exactly does that work? Do they get nominated, then win a trophy, at the Policeman’s Ball? Yes, I’ve heard they don’t have balls. Don’t fight the hypothetical. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2023, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/234 "2023-11-30T08:46:25Z")
[Here’s proof!](https://youtu.be/x7WnZ55z3JI?si=Qp0w9SoisiR2sJmJ) ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/235 "2023-11-30T14:54:27Z")
Many male officers have kids. Doesn’t that mean that at least those particular officers have balls? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2023, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/236 "2023-11-30T14:59:27Z")
Excellent point. I assumed their kids were taken from young couples they arrest. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/237 "2023-12-11T08:17:37Z")
2 posts were merged into an existing topic: [Controversial encounters between law-enforcement and civilians - the omnibus thread #2](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/controversial-encounters-between-law-enforcement-and-civilians-the-omnibus-thread-2/912531/3879) ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 11:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/239 "2023-12-10T11:30:40Z")
This should be in the controversial encounters thread, not the miscarriage of justice thread, although it’s not all that controversial, I suppose, unless someone is going to try and defend this cop. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/240 "2023-12-10T12:41:18Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > unless someone is going to try and defend this cop. “Sure, the kid was 11, but he dressed like a 14 year old”. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/241 "2023-12-10T20:15:46Z")
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