# Miscarriage of Justice Omnibus Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 4, 2021, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643 "2021-06-04T20:52:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/242 "2023-12-10T22:36:44Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > This should be in the controversial encounters thread, not the miscarriage of justice thread, Yes. The miscarriage comes later when the officer gets off and probably even keeps his job or gets a job as a cop somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/243 "2023-12-10T22:45:26Z")
Or, the kid is arrested and spends 5 years in a local jail before he can get his case heard, at which time it’s thrown out. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2023, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/244 "2023-12-11T10:25:07Z")
And now it is! ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/245 "2023-12-12T03:05:32Z")
It was a pre-crime intervention. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/246 "2023-12-20T20:08:39Z")
Listed to Dateline podast. Still pissed off about it. Too long, you probably won’t read. The facts of the case are these. Young woman (who they kept calling ‘good girl’) was found shot in her own car in a park-and-ride in Palmdale Ca. She was shot once in the chest and twice in the face. It was late at night. There were 4 people present at the time. A security guard and a car will 3 teens who were 'listening to music and smoking pot.". The driver of the car, an 18 year old woman, said she saw the security guard pass by her in the direction of the victim and then heard several taps she later guessed were gunshots. Security guard says he saw someone approach the car of the victim and fire. The guard ducked and covered. Could not give any info on the gunman. After the shooting, approached the car and says he saw the young woman take her last breath. He did not touch her or anything else for fear of corrupting the scene. (as he was trained to do) Police said the guard was too helpful in interviews, said too much about the shooting that couldn’t see or know about if he were not the shooter. He was the sole focus of the investigation. Guard quit his job days after the shooting and turned in his unlaundered uniform. It was seized by police and tested. Years later, guard was arrested, tried THREE times, finally convicted at 3rd trial. An FBI Profiler testified that it must have been a sexual assault that went bad. The victim did not have DNA, fiber or prints from the guard on her person or vehicle. _She had DNA from a different male under her fingernails._ The guard had no DNA, fiber, blood, GSR on his uniform. The gun was never found. They could not link the guard to any gun of the same caliber. Appeals court acknowledged that there was no physical evidence at all against the guard while upholding the conviction. BUT, it turned out that the guard did not shoot the woman, even though he did more than a decade in prison. The car with the witness and two other teen males??? Who were just sitting, listening to music and smoking pot? Well, unbeknownst to the police or DA, the young woman had gang ties. As did the two teen males WHO NEVER INTERVIEWED BY ANYONE. Both males, both 18, had extensive criminal records. The police did not bother to look into their histories. If they had, they would have found drug dealing, assaults with weapons, including guns, and car jackings. Within 6 months of the shooting, one was in prison for carjacking with violence against a woman. More than a decade after the crime, a conviction integrity unit of the DA urged a judge to overturn the conviction, saying they had no faith in it. Guard was released. One of the teens from the car had just died in prison. The other was still in prison. He should have been released, but had a history of violence while incarcerated. The warded said he was ‘stuck on stupid’. No Law Enforcement group has bothered to get a DNA sample from either of them to check against the DNA from under the victim’s fingernails. They do not care. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/247 "2023-12-20T20:16:42Z")
What a fucking nightmare! ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/248 "2023-12-20T21:31:43Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Too long, you probably won’t read. I get enough of this kind of BS attempted emotional blackmail in Facebook glurge, I don’t need it here. Having said that, thanks for sharing the story. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/249 "2023-12-21T06:53:41Z")
^^^ This. Every word of this. ^^^ ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/250 "2023-12-21T17:46:37Z")
> **[Man who spent 48 years in prison for murder formally declared innocent](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/21/glynn-simmons-innocent-longest-wrongful-imprisonment)** > > Glynn Simmons, who served US’s longest wrongful imprisonment for a 1974 murder, wins rare ruling ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/251 "2023-12-21T19:05:06Z")
Wow. His entire adult life stolen. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/252 "2023-12-21T19:23:21Z")
And probably everyone associated with his conviction was lauded and promoted. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2023, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/253 "2023-12-21T19:45:05Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > Wow. His entire adult life stolen. And now he’s fighting cancer, only discovered after his release. The declaration of innocence will at least make him eligible to recover some money to live on. They wanted to execute him, but were unable to do so. > [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > probably everyone associated with his conviction was lauded and promoted Assuming the prosecutor is probably dead by now. Interesting thought experiment to confront his children and grandchildren, who probably benefited from his estate, with these facts and see their reactions. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/254 "2023-12-22T02:08:53Z")
I am gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this one. [An Ohio prosecutor says it is not within his power to drop a criminal charge against a woman who miscarried in the restroom at her home](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/ohio-prosecutor-says-he-s-duty-bound-to-bring-miscarriage-case-to-a-grand-jury/ar-AA1lOsnC?ocid=msedgntp&pc=EDGEDSE&cvid=1ec6944f71b0449b8be7a7d35447d1fd&ei=102) Wow, your grand juries must be soooooo overworked with all the crimes that come across your desk that do not hace the power to not present. You lying dick. But it won’t be a big deal. [An Ohio grand jury no bills case where 8 cops shoot a black guy 46 times.](https://6abc.com/jayland-walker-death-grand-jury-decision-shooting-video/13144278/) I’m sure they tried REAL hard to get an indictment. > The grand jury concluded the officers were legally justified in their use of force, according to Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost. They were each justifed in firing 6 shots into an unarmed man. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/255 "2023-12-22T12:49:13Z")
She has a “restroom” in her home? I think homes have bathrooms and restrooms are found in malls, restaurants, gas stations, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/256 "2023-12-22T15:04:39Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I think homes have **bath** rooms and **rest** rooms are found in malls, restaurants, gas stations, etc. Hey, what I do when I’m in there is none of your business (emphasis added). ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/257 "2023-12-22T15:53:53Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I think homes have bathrooms and restrooms are found in malls, restaurants, gas stations, etc. In my experience they’re synonymous. Where they aren’t synonymous, a restroom is a room with a toilet and sink but no bath or shower, and I have one of those in my house. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/258 "2023-12-22T15:56:37Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > In my experience they’re synonymous. To me it sounds strange to call a home’s bathroom or powder room a restroom. At a gas station I’d ask for a key to their men’s room or restroom. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/259 "2023-12-22T15:56:43Z")
I think in the real estate business, such rooms are referred to as “half-baths.” ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/260 "2023-12-22T15:59:14Z")
Oh yes. But nobody says “I need to use the half bath”, LOL. > [@kayaker](#): > > To me it sounds strange to call a home’s bathroom or powder room a restroom. I hear it and use it all the time. It must be a regional thing. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2023, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643/261 "2023-12-22T16:33:33Z")
Hijack, but I seem to recall a person from the UK making fun of Americans for euphemisms like “restroom,” “bathroom,” etc. rather than just saying toilet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscarriage-of-justice-omnibus-thread/943643.md?page=14)