# Miscellaneous tough questions for Christians **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 24, 2015, 11:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713 "2015-05-24T11:07:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/41 "2015-05-24T20:35:10Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Well, you’re obviously not differentiating between the true faith, which leads to God, and the false faith that doesn’t. I suggest more prayer. LOTS more prayer, my son. an all knowing being would not need prayers, if the almighty knows all things ahead of time he knows what his child needs and what would harm them the child would not have to ask.or have some one ask for the child’s needs. I know as a not perfect or all knowing parent I would not hold anything back for my child’s good nor give anything that would harm it. I would wonder hwy someone would tell me to bless my child or feed it when the child was just given a good meal. I expect a God who knows a person’s need to see that the child could trust me to give what is for it’s good nor give it something that would bring harm to it. ---
**Author:** ![monavis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e0b2c6/32.png) [@monavis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monavis)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/42 "2015-05-24T20:41:09Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > I don’t think that the original sin was not having gills. I would add: If heaven was a place of perfect peace ,love, etc. why did Satan and some of the angels rebel? ---
**Author:** ![nate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nate/32/13085_2.png) [@nate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nate)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/43 "2015-05-24T20:41:56Z")
Why is it not seen as absolute, complete evil to torture even one soul for an eternity? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/44 "2015-05-24T20:51:48Z")
> [@nate](#): > > Why is it not seen as absolute, complete evil to torture even one soul for an eternity? Hell is not the literal burning place that many people think of. It is simply removal from communion with God, which is what a sinner chooses. [Link.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_hell#Roman_Catholicism) ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/45 "2015-05-24T21:14:11Z")
Reading a few verses starting from • Matthew 21 • Mark 11 • Luke 19:30 How are we to see that Jesus is not a thief or some sort of thuggish Don? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/46 "2015-05-24T21:41:42Z")
> [@monavis](#): > > I would add: If heaven was a place of perfect peace ,love, etc. why did Satan and some of the angels rebel? They disagreed with the plan of salvation. They were against the free will part of it. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/47 "2015-05-24T21:43:35Z")
> [@nate](#): > > Why is it not seen as absolute, complete evil to torture even one soul for an eternity? Torture is the absence from the father for eternity. It’s not a physical pain in a burning fire as some have portrayed. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/48 "2015-05-24T21:49:27Z")
> [@dr\_zippermeyer](#): > > I’m not a theologist but come on, put yourself in the position of God for a moment. You have to explain the creation of university to some ordinary Joe, whose reality consist of sand, goats and misery. You calmly and slowly explain everything about Higgs bosom, time-space, antimatter and even give an element solution to Schrödinger’s cat paradox. You don’t get mad and you try to use language comprehensible to illiterate shepherd. You then let him go to tell this to his buddies. The only thing he will be able to blurt out is: “God… errr… created the universe in seven days”. As a matter of fact, God has showed considerable mercy to us humans considering the circumstances. > > I guess anyone who has ever tried to explain something to a reporter will understand what I’m trying to say here. What an awesome post. Well done, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/49 "2015-05-24T21:53:32Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > 1. What is your answer to the Epicurean paradox? Leibniz had the right answer. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/50 "2015-05-24T21:54:28Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Torture is the absence from the father for eternity. It’s not a physical pain in a burning fire as some have portrayed. Yet you still describe it as torture. Is that justifiable? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/51 "2015-05-24T22:06:35Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Torture is the absence from the father for eternity. It’s not a physical pain in a burning fire as some have portrayed. What crime is worthy an eternity of punishment-_any_ punishment? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/52 "2015-05-24T22:21:17Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What crime is worthy an eternity of punishment-_any_ punishment? Turning away from God. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/53 "2015-05-24T22:31:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Turning away from God. Well, shit-I was about to sneeze and thought it would be rude to spray all over his robes. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/54 "2015-05-24T22:34:56Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Well, shit-I was about to sneeze and thought it would be rude to spray all over his robes. More prayer, my son. More prayer. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/55 "2015-05-24T22:39:36Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > More prayer, my son. More prayer. Which god, Dad, which god? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/56 "2015-05-24T22:41:47Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Well, shit-I was about to sneeze and thought it would be rude to spray all over his robes. Who is it that says “bless you” in a situation like that? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/57 "2015-05-24T23:22:40Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Which god, Dad, which god? The God of the New Testament, of course. Isn’t that we’re discussing in this thread? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/58 "2015-05-24T23:44:02Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Yet you still describe it as torture. Is that justifiable? Certainly. ---
**Author:** ![JohnClay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/c37758/32.png) [@JohnClay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnClay)\ **Post date:** [May 24, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/59 "2015-05-24T23:58:26Z")
Were Adam and eve the first people and if so why do they say that the Australian aborigines have been around 40,000 years? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2015, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713/60 "2015-05-25T00:08:20Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > What crime is worthy an eternity of punishment-_any_ punishment? For your crimes you’ll be forgiven. The only sin that’s unpardonable is blastmaphy against the Holy Ghost. Basically, that’s having a perfect knowledge and thereafter, denying God. Under that circumstance, you are no longer blessed. Satan had a perfect knowledge, as did his followers (they _knew_ the Father and his plan). Therefore, they are doomed to an eternity absent the Father. IE they will not be forgiven. If it were possible for a man to gain such a perfect knowledge, and thereafter deny the Father, he too would lose his salvation. Punishment, even torture as others have called it, means different things in different contexts. To a Christian, it would be spending eternity outside of the presence of the Father. To others, it means confinement in a cell and waterboarding. There are no cells or waterboarding in the afterlife. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miscellaneous-tough-questions-for-christians/720713.md?page=4)