# Misogyny and Moderation, again **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 10, 2019, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462 "2019-08-10T16:43:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/241 "2019-08-12T15:14:58Z")
I don’t think that it would not be _possible_ to start a useful, socially relevant thread that begins with “Hey, whenever I see a young attractive woman, I feel this rush of sexual appetite and I want do do her”, etc. A lot (for me) kind of depends on whether the post proceeds from there to _examine_ that and ponder it, connect it with something. If it’s just “Yeah, I see her and I’m ready to get busy, ya know, how about them hot women, huh?”, then it does indeed come across as objectifying and prurient and I do agree that the post in question falls into _that_ category. Saying so is not the same thing as saying “there should never be a post that contains references to being a male person who sees an attractive woman and feels lust for her”. It’s not the same thing as begging for topic-censorship. I don’t think the OP of the referenced instigating thread was appropriate for the board. But with the same opening sentences a meaningful thread about a lot of different things (subject-object polarized gender roles, #metoo and guys’ defensiveness, or even the vitality of the experience of human sexual lust) could have been generated. But make a point. Have something to say aside from sharing what is an objectifying sexual response. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/242 "2019-08-12T15:22:14Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > OP starts a thread where he says that when he sees a hot woman with “ass cheeks hanging out”, all he can think is that he wants to “hit that”. > > Rather than give a note that says something like “Hey, dude, we don’t talk about women like that here”, the burden is put on us to unofficially “educate” him that there’s something wrong with talking about women as if they were objects. Spoiler, it didn’t work, because in post #86, he was doubling down: > > He’s clearly not here to have a conversation. He even goes on to explain: > > Understand, when women read this story, we are the wife, and the girl on the scooter, being oogled by a dude who has apparently lost control of his mind and who has reduced the sight of her, of US, to the “sight of this”. It’s a creepy story. Whatever the intent, it has the effect of serving as a stark reminder that for many, we are only interesting, we only matter, when we make someone’s dick twitch. And all the lurid details aren’t there to help us understand what happened–it at least comes across as an excuse to linger on the memory: recounting it makes his parts warm in memory and he wants to humble-brag about his virile experience. And we all know this. Can you imagine telling that story in any sort of mixed company? At a work function? A back-yard BBQ with women present? At a bus stop to your dude best friend where women could hear you? > > The OPs behavior is creepy and uncouth and makes women uncomfortable. But the powers that be have decided that it’s our job to “educate” assholes and creeps–there apparently can’t be any official guidance. > > And it DOES shut down discussion. Because now before I can participate in the thread, I have to FIRST address the misogyny. Women end up stuck in the meta, arguing about how something was said instead of the content, because we can’t just let the meta go–it’s exclusionary, and so we have to address that it exists in order to even be clear where we are coming from when we comment on the content. THEN we get bogged down in an argument about whether or not it’s misogynistic to say “I just want to hit that” because apparently that’s controversial. > [@Helena330](#): > > Meanwhile, one or more women feel really uncomfortable with the dude and the lack of any meaningful response to him and leave the party. > [@Helena330](#): > > _That’s what we’ve been protesting for MONTHS._. How objectifying, demeaning, and hostile women find it when men post what gets their dicks hard! That was **Manda JO** ’s, **ITD** ’s, and my entire point. > > :smack::smack::smack: I’m very much with **Manda JO** and **Helena330** here. Fighting ignorance doesn’t include a need for us guys to talk about what behavior or appearance on the part of women makes us feel good in our nether regions. There’s no reason I can see why the mods can’t just say, “dude, we don’t talk about women like that here.” We have a fair number of really smart women who add a great deal to many conversations here through their posts. I don’t like the fact that they feel this site is hostile to them in this way, and I don’t want this sorta shit to drive them away. This is one of those situations where ‘both sides have a point’ perpetuates the shit that only one side is on the receiving end of. My vote is to have it be board policy: we don’t talk about women like that around here. It’s really just a specific case of the board’s Prime Directive: _don’t be a jerk_. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/243 "2019-08-12T15:24:25Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > So, remind me, when was the first ATMB thread where the mod staff swore they were going to improve the moderation around misogyny here? Because my perception is that after that there was a flurry of activity, and then a whole lot of nothing. And here we are again… They have top men working on it right now. Top… men… CMC fnord! ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/244 "2019-08-12T15:30:36Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > Libido is different for men than women. But we both have it, even some women feel the same believe it or not when it comes to certain men. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. > > Now I’ll expect a chorus of self-identifying SD males saying that they never have those urges. All obvious outliers then for a variety of reasons, but that’s not how you reach an true consensus by a sampling of a biased source anyways. I’m a self-identifying SD male. I have those urges. Libido exists. I also, more and more, have urges to just punch certain people in the mouth, throw a milkshake at their face, scream at them, etc. Doesn’t even take that much! I am quite certain there is a biological component to that aggression, quite certain there is a psychological component, and quite certain there is a social component. But the biological one is there, I am sure of it – that there is some evolutionarily-conferred advantage to the fact that I have that latent aggression and violence available to me. I am sure that is different for men than women, too. I am sure that I could provide you a link to some online medical database about anger and androgen that would identify this. If I started a thread, without using any hate-speechy slurs or anything, about how I want to direct that violence, and under what circumstances, and toward which people in particular, and how it feels when that happens and what I think, and how it overwhelms me and I just can’t even think straight just because of some tiny thing that sets me off, and how maybe some people wouldn’t understand but hey I know some people would, and how I would think I was _less of a person_ if I didn’t feel that way, I would expect to be moderated. I would expect people to be uncomfortable about that. It would be _appropriate_ for people to be uncomfortable about that, and appropriate for me to be censured for doing that to them. I would not expect to be able to fall back somehow on the fact that, well, I have an endocrine system, so… because that would be fucking stupid. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/245 "2019-08-12T15:36:39Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > I’m a self-identifying SD male. I have those urges. Libido exists. > > I also, more and more, have urges to just punch certain people in the mouth, throw a milkshake at their face, scream at them, etc. Doesn’t even take that much! I am quite certain there is a biological component to that aggression, quite certain there is a psychological component, and quite certain there is a social component. But the biological one is there, I am sure of it – that there is some evolutionarily-conferred advantage to the fact that I have that latent aggression and violence available to me. I am sure that is different for men than women, too. I am sure that I could provide you a link to some online medical database about anger and androgen that would identify this. > > If I started a thread, without using any hate-speechy slurs or anything, about how I want to direct that violence, and under what circumstances, and toward which people in particular, and how it feels when that happens and what I think, and how it overwhelms me and I just can’t even think straight just because of some tiny thing that sets me off, and how maybe some people wouldn’t understand but hey I know some people would, and how I would think I was _less of a person_ if I didn’t feel that way, I would expect to be moderated. I would expect people to be uncomfortable about that. It would be _appropriate_ for people to be uncomfortable about that, and appropriate for me to be censured for doing that to them. I would not expect to be able to fall back somehow on the fact that, well, I have an endocrine system, so… because that would be fucking stupid. Doubly so if this obviously applied to at least some of the people reading the thread. Y’know, just like how **Manda Jo** felt spoken to about that OP. ---
**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/246 "2019-08-12T17:11:25Z")
> [@TokyoBayer](#): > > First, you stated, “I hope nate actually gets what people are saying. I’m not weaseling out of saying that the OP is offensive, I’m saying that I hope nate understands why some people in the thread are saying its offensive (because it is offensive).” but from Nate’s further comments, it appears he’s not learning, rather, he has doubled down. Obvious getting feedback from the crowd has failed. Why wasn’t a Mod Note made? Failing to learn is not against the rules. > [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Second, you stated, “we definitely do not want to encourage men’s locker room types of posts where men just talk about who they want to have sex with and why" is also to say that in general these types of posts are not acceptable here.” Yet this seems to me to be what nate is doing. None of nate’s subsequent posts have been reported, and I have not had the time to read through every post in that thread (busy weekend). I will read through everything in a bit and if I see anything that needs to be moderated, I will take care of it then. > [@TokyoBayer](#): > > Third, you stated, “Demeaning descriptions of women and objectifying are not acceptable here.” Yet again, this wasn’t modded. The OP was moderated, although, as has been pointed out, that moderation was not explicit enough. I will attempt to do better moving forward. As for subsequent posts, again, I will be checking through the entire thread soon. > [@TokyoBayer](#): > > As nate is not learning from the experience, why can’t this be modded as the OP and subsequent comments clearly violate your stated guidelines? Obviously, as the OP was written prior to these guidelines, a warning would be unreasonable, but wouldn’t it set a clearer message to everyone that there are indeed guidelines? > > Unless your post was not intended to state guidelines, and if so, shouldn’t that be clearly stated. We have been attempting to reduce the misogyny on this board for many months now. My post was not an attempt to create any sort of formal guidelines or any sort of new set of rules. The guideline is don’t be a jerk. I think most people around here understand that crude male locker room type speech said in front of a woman is jerkish behavior, so things like that should not need to be spelled out in great detail. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > engineer\_comp\_geek, I’ve read and re-read this post, and I’m still confused. What does it mean to say that the OP’s original post is not acceptable, and that the moderators in general are committed to the path of making such things not acceptable, but to say simultaneously that you’re not moderating it? > > I’m not saying that you couldn’t have moderated it and left the thread open for further discussion; I think that would have made a lot of sense. But it does really seem to me that you’re giving mixed signals here. Again, to clarify, the OP was moderated, just not clearly enough. That was my fault. I thought I was being clear, but obviously I was not. The intent was to moderate it with a mod note and to leave the thread open, exactly as your second paragraph says. ---
**Author:** ![Inner\_Stickler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inner_stickler/32/318_2.png) [@Inner\_Stickler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inner_Stickler)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/247 "2019-08-12T18:05:04Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > You want to effect change? You want to see new paradigms? Speak loudly and firmly. No one can give you the authority to be self-actualized and possess your own agency. Only you can do that. If you choose not to, then fine. That’s your call and I’ll support you in it. But don’t tell me you need someone else’s permission to speak. I’m not sure if this is meant as general life advice or specifically for this board, but I’ve certainly seen people make comments that I read at the time as meaning, “I don’t think what you’re saying is appropriate” and get slapped by a mod for junior modding so I wouldn’t be surprised if people are a little gunshy about asserting new paradigms. Also, isn’t this thread exactly what you’re demanding? Manda Jo is describing the paradigm that she wants to see. It’s up to us but mostly you as the arbiters of the board’s tone to determine if that’s the paradigm that you want because we can only be self-actualized and in possession of our own agency within the constraints of the moderating team. Someone who’s banned because they kept reporting misogynists is not going to effectively alter the paradigm. Thank you to Manda Jo and the others who have spoken up about this. I read nate’s initial post and thought it was crude but unremarkable in that I certainly understand the experience of seeing a particularly attractive man and having my train of thought run off the track. I was surprised to see it so roundly rebuffed by everyone so I appreciate the deeper dive into why it irritated so many people. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/248 "2019-08-12T18:17:14Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > Again, to clarify, the OP was moderated, just not clearly enough. That was my fault. I thought I was being clear, but obviously I was not. The intent was to moderate it with a mod note and to leave the thread open, exactly as your second paragraph says. Thank you. That’s really all I wanted to establish. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/249 "2019-08-12T18:22:00Z")
> [@Inner\_Stickler](#): > > I’m not sure if this is meant as general life advice or specifically for this board, but I’ve certainly seen people make comments that I read at the time as meaning, “I don’t think what you’re saying is appropriate” and get slapped by a mod for junior modding so I wouldn’t be surprised if people are a little gunshy about asserting new paradigms. [That’s certainly been an issue before](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21718779&postcount=434)… ---
**Author:** ![Ibanez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a4c791/32.png) [@Ibanez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibanez)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/250 "2019-08-12T18:28:54Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > No, it’s in the OP of the thread this thread is about. So you’re commenting here without having read the actual thread this is about? > > No, it’s a verbatim quote from **nate** ’s OP. And it’s been repeated right on this page… That is not linked in the OPs’ original post of this thread. Customary around here to link it. I don’t read every post by every user after that - built in ignore function. > [@MrDibble](#): > > What was “_ **self-identifying** _ SD males” about, then? Literal. \*I’m a male Ibanez and here’s where I think you’re wrong… \* p.s. I don’t have issues with trans people. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/251 "2019-08-12T19:53:43Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > That is not linked in the OPs’ original post of this thread. Customary around here to link it. I don’t read every post by every user after that - built in ignore function. If you click the little \> symbol at the top of a quote box it takes you to the post/thread the quote came from. So there was a link. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/252 "2019-08-12T20:17:31Z")
> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#): > > Again, to clarify, the OP was moderated, just not clearly enough. That was my fault. I thought I was being clear, but obviously I was not. The intent was to moderate it with a mod note and to leave the thread open, exactly as your second paragraph says. OK, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/253 "2019-08-12T21:32:03Z")
> [@Ibanez](#): > > That is not linked in the OPs’ original post of this thread. The whole thread is linked. > [@](#): > > Literal. \*I’m a male Ibanez and here’s where I think you’re wrong… \* So, the same as just “male”, then, given the medium we’re in. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/254 "2019-08-12T22:02:56Z")
In light of the miscommunication, I’ll instead recommend a way to be more clear. Since the intention was to tell **nate** that such language is not acceptable, the post should have started like this: **Moderator Note** **nate** , such language is not acceptable. The SDMB is not a Penthouse forum. And it should have ended with I will allow this thread to stay open. But do not do this again. In the middle, you can be softer, but keep the beginning and ending parts clear and to the point. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2019, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/255 "2019-08-12T23:44:53Z")
IANAM (I am not a mod,) but I thought the general rules of the Straight Dope are that people are allowed to say unsavory things, or advocate for unsavory viewpoints, as long as they do so in a way that is not flagrantly abusive or profane. It’s like the discussion from a few months ago about whether we should permit talk about race that was offensive - should such content be banned because it is \*expressed \*offensively, or because its very \*nature \*is offensive? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/256 "2019-08-13T01:02:09Z")
> [@Time for a TMI Forum?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/time-for-a-tmi-forum/191984/16): > > From time to time, we go on an Improvement Campaign here at the Straight Dope. > > Unfortunately for us, we’ve never had to use another title for it, because there’s ever so much work to be done using the old one, which is **“Let’s raise the tone of the board.”** > > When it gets to the point where about every other post I might see makes me think, “I wouldn’t have told THAT,” (whatever “THAT” might be), it’s usually overdue. > > And no, I don’t want another forum for it, I want to cut down on the incidence of it. Some of you might live for this sort of material, but ya know, we can all do better. > > your humble TubaDiva > Administrator > _We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars._ Bolding mine. That was 16 years ago and we’re still discussing what to do about misogyny. ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/257 "2019-08-13T01:54:45Z")
Occasionally I’m overwhelmed by all the change I see in the world. Lots of things shifting, lots to keep up with. It can be a lot. But not here. Men continue to say disgusting things, women continue to object, other men rush in to explain how the women are wrong, women continue to leave, mods continue to flail around trying to figure out why. Manda Joe, you are tenacious and I respect that. However, the amount of emotional labour women are expected to do to get men to behave in a non-repulsive way is disheartening. I seldom come here anymore, which I realize many don’t regard as a loss. However, traditionally I have bought a membership, bought merch, supported other members with actual cash money. But this means nothing in the context of this place. My contribution and discomfort is of less concern than the idea of actually speaking about women in a way that is remotely respectful and not dehumanizing. That’s too much to manage. In fact, up thread the suggestion is that women should find other boards that are friendlier to women, rather than suggesting that male (some) posters could try to be less piggish. Ok, good, I’ll do that. Along with at least a dozen other women posters that don’t come here anymore because it’s gross. Oh well, as long as the boys can talk about ‘hitting that, with the ass hanging out’ all is well in SDMB land. Stay classy folks. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/258 "2019-08-13T02:14:08Z")
> [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > That sounds awefully like this place condones me shouting the N-Word 100 times. And the mods not giving a shit about hate speech. > > Which I thought was a rule. Don’t go pushing that envelope, **Drunky**. Trust me. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/259 "2019-08-13T02:41:14Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > Occasionally I’m overwhelmed by all the change I see in the world. Lots of things shifting, lots to keep up with. It can be a lot. > > But not here. Men continue to say disgusting things, women continue to object, other men rush in to explain how the women are wrong, women continue to leave, mods continue to flail around trying to figure out why. > > Manda Joe, you are tenacious and I respect that. However, the amount of emotional labour women are expected to do to get men to behave in a non-repulsive way is disheartening. > > I seldom come here anymore, which I realize many don’t regard as a loss. However, traditionally I have bought a membership, bought merch, supported other members with actual cash money. But this means nothing in the context of this place. My contribution and discomfort is of less concern than the idea of actually speaking about women in a way that is remotely respectful and not dehumanizing. That’s too much to manage. > > In fact, up thread the suggestion is that women should find other boards that are friendlier to women, rather than suggesting that male (some) posters could try to be less piggish. > > Ok, good, I’ll do that. Along with at least a dozen other women posters that don’t come here anymore because it’s gross. Oh well, as long as the boys can talk about ‘hitting that, with the ass hanging out’ all is well in SDMB land. > > Stay classy folks. I understand you may think enough is enough, but this is a bit of a harsh way to phrase it after the mod involved has done a mea culpa on not clearly moderating the post in question. It may be too late for some but I think this place will get in line with what you hope pretty soon. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2019, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462/260 "2019-08-13T02:49:07Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > I understand you may think enough is enough, but this is a bit of a harsh way to phrase it after the mod involved has done a mea culpa on not clearly moderating the post in question. It may be too late for some but I think this place will get in line with what you hope pretty soon. And yet that shitty thread is still open for business and probably will remain so–as for the getting in line bit, would it be terribly on the nose if I suggest that this is a “Jam yesterday, jam tomorrow but never jam today” sort of situation? Yup, it’s gonna be better REAL SOON folks, any day now, yup. Uh huh. I have a list of Durpers who I truly and devoutly wish would hold their breath until that day comes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-moderation-again/838462.md?page=14)