# Misogyny and pop culture: don't yuck my yum! (Spoilers for the movie Poor Things) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107 "2024-02-04T22:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/201 "2024-02-05T21:27:16Z")
Weak sauce ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/202 "2024-02-05T21:28:03Z")
But those ones don’t have teeth. ETA, I was on the fourth picture. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/203 "2024-02-05T21:33:48Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Weak sauce You’re going to lose a race to the bottom because bottoms are too sexy. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/204 "2024-02-05T21:41:54Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’ll probably see it soon with my wife and 15yo daughter I would STRONGLY advise against bringing the 15yo daughter to see “Poor Things”. I do not know you or your daughter or anything but the movie is close to pornographic more than once (full frontal male nudity too…also playing with a dead man’s dick…which then manages to get worse). And otherwise super weird and shocking sometimes…some a bit horrifying. I am surprised it didn’t get an NC-17 rating. It’s your call, of course. Just know what you are walking into with her. “Everything Everywhere All At Once” is G-rated compared to “Poor Things”. ---
**Author:** ![emulsified](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/emulsified/32/2915_2.png) [@emulsified](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emulsified)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/205 "2024-02-05T21:53:18Z")
Dunno if this changes anything about this thread for anyone, but if only for accuracy’s sake, I believe that Eonwe is a male person. I thought I recalled that, so I looked and [this](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/jokes-about-seducing-my-sister-arent-funny/117452/24) seems like evidence of that. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/206 "2024-02-05T21:58:19Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > “Everything Everywhere All At Once” is G-rated compared to “Poor Things”. Honestly, i forgot about the butt plugs, and wouldn’t’ve have been surprised if the movie actually was g-rated. I would have no qualms bringing a 15 year old to _everything everywhere all at once_. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/207 "2024-02-05T22:01:15Z")
> [@emulsified](#): > > I believe that Eonwe is a male person. The [original certainly was](https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/E%C3%B6nw%C3%AB) 🙂. I was thinking the same thing as you - “huh, I thought Eonwe was a guy, but I guess the Schroeder avatar is no guarantee of anything.” I was looking up the name more or less simultaneously with your post. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/208 "2024-02-05T22:04:29Z")
You know what? If you spent less time on this board nitpicking about punctuation, misspelling and typos. And poking people to get a rise outta them, you might have time to be a productive person. And alot happier individual. Maybe spend less time reading my posts and making smartass remarks. Maybe ignore me. Since you despise everything I say, or my thread titles bug the hell outta you. Or, for god sakes, I used one too many ellipsis’s. Ignore me. I won’t bother you. And I won’t have to read your smartass quips. Win-win. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/209 "2024-02-05T22:07:06Z")
Ugh, this is pretty rude even for the pit imho. I did not see nor participate in the CS thread. Funnily enough, I’m going to opine that given the description of the movie, I can see why the op here may feel “the male gaze” is a possibility here. I’m skeptical of most movies where a woman finds out that lots of _sex_ is empowering. I haven’t seen it, I probably wont. I don’t see a lot of movies anymore. I also _think it sounds_ weird and uncomfortable, and the op of this thread may be right. I don’t think proffering that opinion is “thread shitting.” If they said, “Oh that movie sucks my aunt Gertrudes, friend’s, niece said so. And you r soo dumb to see it.” Now that would be thread shitting. YMMV of course. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/210 "2024-02-05T22:09:29Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > If you spent less time on this board nitpicking about punctuation, misspelling and typos. > > Or, for god sakes, I used one too many ellipsis’s. FYI you must be confusing me with somebody else. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Maybe ignore me. I try to, but your use of this site as your personal blog sometimes makes that difficult. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/211 "2024-02-05T22:10:20Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > FYI you must be confusing me with somebody else. Stop mansplaining to her ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/212 "2024-02-05T22:12:32Z")
If no one posted, read, opined, told a story, had a gripe or two there wouldn’t be a board. Duh. There’s an official way to ignore me. I’m sure you know how. IOW, leave me the hell alone. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/213 "2024-02-05T22:19:41Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > There’s an official way to ignore me. I’m sure you know how. I don’t have anyone on ignore, I just don’t engage if it’s not something that interests me. > [@Beckdawrek](#): > > IOW, leave me the hell alone. If you don’t post regressive nonsense, I probably won’t feel the urge to engage. If you do, you can expect a response. If you want to react with your usual tiresome martyrdom rather than engage with the substance of the issues, that’s entirely your decision. I will keep my tiny violin tuned and ready. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/214 "2024-02-05T22:29:08Z")
Name called again. Now I’m regressive and tiresome. Do you get any joy outta this? Sad. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/215 "2024-02-05T22:33:14Z")
Having NOT seen the film, it sounds like it could be some kind of sex-positive feminist commentary or it could be male gazey and I do not intend to find out for myself. I generally steer clear of movies described as “disturbing” unless I have a very specific reason for it. I have, however, had opinions about movies and books I didn’t see. I have an opinion about _Fifty Shades of Gray_ for example, and I’ll bet a lot of you do, too. Did you need to see _Twilight_ to know it’s trash? Ever read _Mein Kampf_? I think the idea that one could theoretically be more informed about a film than a person who has actually seen it, is ludicrous. But I don’t think that negates the possibility that someone who hasn’t seen the film could have something valuable to offer about it. A movie that was sort of like this for me was _Red Sparrow_ starring Jennifer Lawrence, which involves multiple sexual assaults of a sexy spy assassin but is somehow supposed to be empowering for women. It’s been roundly criticized as a male fantasy of women’s empowerment. And if you read any of the articles written by misogynist assholes dismissing women’s views of the film, you wouldn’t come away any more reassured. I was in writer’s group when my older male friends started raving about this movie. These are guys I love with blindspots a mile wide, who have mansplained to me everything from domestic violence to romance novels, so I don’t exactly consider them to have their finger on the pulse of the female experience. I told them how I felt about the themes of the film, and they essentially tried to argue me out of my opinion. No, I’m not going to see a movie that depicts sexual assault and torture and might possibly be exploitative to women, just the thought of it nauseates me. I just want you to consider that maybe, you’re wrong about what’s actually happening here. (I certainly have considered that I might be wrong, but unfortunately I can’t really test that theory, because if I turned out to be right, well guess who doesn’t get to sleep for the next year?) So it gets to the point where they are both like, “You don’t understand. The sexual assault scene was _empowering_.” And I will never forget when another of my (male) friends interjected and said, “Guys - I don’t think she wants to see this film.” Which brings up another general issue raised by the OP. It’s easy to dispassionately deconstruct the themes of a film when you have no real skin in the game. I think people in this position should be more mindful toward people who actually are affected by the issues in question. Not deferential, but at least recognizing that hey, maybe this is personal to some people. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/216 "2024-02-05T22:44:46Z")
Instead of “WOE IS ME!”, try clicking the Ignore button yourself. ---
**Author:** ![CairoCarol](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cairocarol/32/3825_2.png) [@CairoCarol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CairoCarol)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/217 "2024-02-05T22:48:24Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > “Male gaze” doesn’t just mean "titillating " to me. Its more like “assumes a male audience”. That can include a focus on women’s anatomy, like when an author describes a waitress as like “she was stout and middle aged, her uniform shirt stretch across breasts that had probably been her pride and joy in her youth” or something stupid like that. That reminds me of an unforgettable (and not in a good way) turn of phrase from John McDonald. In my late teens and 20s I was a big fan of Travis McGee, but looked at through a modern lens, the McGee books were definitely problematic (although they did occasionally include whip-smart, independent, convention-defying and fully autonomous female characters alongside the tiresome stereotypes). Anyway, the phrase I could never forget was his unflattering description of a negatively portrayed female character as having “vestigial breasts.” Yeesh. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/218 "2024-02-05T22:56:31Z")
My favorite example comes from Stephen King. “Her nipples hardened with anger.” 😂 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/219 "2024-02-05T22:56:42Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > I have, however, had opinions about movies and books I didn’t see. I have an opinion about _Fifty Shades of Gray_ for example, and I’ll bet a lot of you do, too. Did you need to see _Twilight_ to know it’s trash? Ever read _Mein Kampf_? This to me, is odd. No, I don’t have an opinion on any of those as I haven’t read any of them. To be honest, I actually would like to see/read all of those–it would be interesting, but I can’t really hold much of an informed opinion about them. I mean, I know lots of folks who love _Twilight_ and _Fifty Shades of Gray_, so why would I dismiss it as crap? _Mein Kampf_ would be interesting historically. But I don’t think I can hold much of an opinion without experiencing the work myself, especially as I’m so used to people slamming stuff I like without them having any idea what its about. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/220 "2024-02-05T23:01:20Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > But I don’t think I can hold much of an opinion without experiencing the work myself, especially as I’m so used to people slamming stuff I like without them having any idea what its about. That reminds me of Maria in “Bonfire of the Vanities”. Once she becomes educated and has read many books she realizes that the rich people around her that would name-drop books they have read never actually read any of them. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107.md?page=12)