# Misogyny and pop culture: don't yuck my yum! (Spoilers for the movie Poor Things) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 4, 2024, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107 "2024-02-04T22:16:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/161 "2024-02-05T19:34:07Z")
Although I’m intrigued by the concept of a non-XXX misogynistic movie with a woman in the lead. Usually the male gaze is transmitted through a male avatar, like Sean Connery or Clint Eastwood. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/162 "2024-02-05T19:53:11Z")
You don’t really want my opinion. That’s clear. You want me to stumble around and make my objections so you can mansplain to me how ignorant my little female brain is. No thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/163 "2024-02-05T20:01:00Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > You don’t really want my opinion. That’s clear. You want me to stumble around and make my objections so you can mansplain to me how ignorant my little female brain is. 🙄 Alright, I guess we’re done, then. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/164 "2024-02-05T20:03:46Z")
You are not ignorant. You are not being “mansplained” to. You are being shown a different view. You can agree with it, or disagree. Either is fine. You appear to disagree. More power to you, I like strong opinions. (We have a saying in software dev, “strong opinions, weakly held” which is support for having a good argument but willing to consider closely the opposing argument and accept it, if it is better) Fobbing this off on “mansplaining” is weak at best, and (ironically) chauvinistic. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/165 "2024-02-05T20:07:34Z")
Switch them tables around. Always works. Putting people in their place. More mansplaining. Now I’m weak. Let me count up how many times I’ve been diminished in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/166 "2024-02-05T20:11:52Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > More mansplaining. Now I’m weak. Beck, I like you as a poster. But this is bullshit. I am suggesting your argument is weak. And, yes, I am male. But I would not consider any of the posts I, myself, have made to be telling women what to think (aka “mansplaining”) ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/167 "2024-02-05T20:12:08Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > You don’t really want my opinion. That’s clear. You want me to stumble around and make my objections so you can mansplain to me how ignorant my little female brain is. > > No thanks. You can play the “mansplaining” victimhood card all you want, it doesn’t make your views any more valid, and it doesn’t make them feminist. @Babale can speak for himself of course, but I don’t think my fallible efforts to be a feminist ally are enhanced by pandering to regressive anti-feminist views just because they are espoused by a woman. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/168 "2024-02-05T20:18:05Z")
Oh okay. I’ll go back in my corner and hide. And you males can all tell those who’ll listen why a woman(me, who doesn’t like confrontation) has weak arguments. And why they should see this weird movie. Because, hoo baby she fucks every man and woman on screen. Yay! It was hard to watch, but man oh man I hung on to the end. Cause, reasons, ya know! 😛. I have just been talked outta looking at this movie. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/169 "2024-02-05T20:20:20Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > I’ll go back in my corner and hide. Are you sure there’s room for your cross in that corner? I have a tiny violin. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/170 "2024-02-05T20:21:32Z")
We all have our crosses to bear. Mine is very small. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/171 "2024-02-05T20:21:48Z")
As long as she’s being talked about and noticed, that’s all she cares. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/172 "2024-02-05T20:22:05Z")
In what actually IS a shocking display of misogyny, I am having a real hard time finding a picture of a woman carrying a cross. There are tons of images of _men_ carrying crosses, dressed in all kinds of attire, including some Medieval paintings of Jesus in what can only be described as a dress. (I note this because until I noticed the mustache I thought I had found what I was looking for). But there are only a handful of _women_ carrying crosses, even when that is what I search for, and the vast majority of _those_ images I don’t want to use because the woman is inexplicably topless? (I guess they’re going for the Jesus in rags with a crown of thorns cosplay look?) Considering the subject matter, it feels far too fan-service-y. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/173 "2024-02-05T20:22:31Z")
You can just shut the fuck up. Now there’s a weak argument. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/174 "2024-02-05T20:22:45Z")
You are free to hold any opinion, and to behave in any (legal) manner. You appear to be significantly upset with this thread, and while I have not been a big contributor, out of respect, I will now bow out. My apologies, @Beckdawrek , I do not want you to be unhappy. ---
**Author:** ![Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eyebrows_0f_doom/32/3119_2.png) [@Eyebrows\_0f\_Doom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eyebrows_0f_Doom)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/175 "2024-02-05T20:23:21Z")
“Look at meeeee! Pay attention to meeee!” ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/176 "2024-02-05T20:24:03Z")
Even weaker. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/177 "2024-02-05T20:26:11Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > mis-states her opinion to mock it > > > > Objects to her having a “strong” opinion, and suggests she is engaged in review-bombing > > If the only substance here is that the tone of those replies constitutes an “attack”, I think this is a weak pitting. > > The only way I can see coming to that perspective would be if there were widespread consensus that the film is heavily misogynistic and should be boycotted. Looking around at other perspectives online, it’s controversial but I’m not getting that sense at all. I feel OP is viewing this through a lens of misogynists resisting her efforts to call out misogyny, but that’s assuming a conclusion that is neither in evidence nor widely held. When there _is_ no consensus, cherry-picking third party opinions without having seen it yourself does seem kind of weak to me. I’m sorry, i am totally missing how your reply even relates to what i wrote. Misinterpreting a poster to make her views sound extreme and foolish is only meaningful if she’s talking about a movie that people want to ban? Huh? Telling someone they can’t have a strong opinion about _whether they want to see a movie_ unless they have seen the movie is only okay if people are trying to ban the movie? Help me here. How are those attacks not attacks? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/178 "2024-02-05T20:28:31Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > In what actually IS a shocking display of misogyny, I am having a real hard time finding a picture of a woman carrying a cross. Is that because most images of men carrying crosses are intended to be images of Jesus? And Jesus is almost always depicted as male? I bet you can find lots of images of women wearing crosses. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/179 "2024-02-05T20:29:28Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > In what actually IS a shocking display of misogyny, I am having a real hard time finding a picture of a woman carrying a cross. I guess we could go all intersectional and shit. > **[List of works depicting Jesus as LGBT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_works_depicting_Jesus_as_LGBT)** > > A number of artistic works have depicted Jesus as LGBT or involved in same-sex romantic or sexual relationships. Jesus' sexuality is a topic of significant academic discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107/180 "2024-02-05T20:36:47Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > Is that because most images of men carrying crosses are intended to be images of Jesus? And Jesus is almost always depicted as male? I think you get three kinds of results. Jesus religious art, ironic satire revolving around the expression, and religious nutjobs raising awareness for a cause by dragging a giant cross (often on wheels, which seems like cheating 😛 ) When it comes to men, you see both kinds of artistic images in all types of formats. Cartoons, clip art, corporate looking stock images, etc. And then you see photos of real guys roaming the streets with crosses. In the first few pages of Google results when searching for “woman carrying cross”, I got lots of results showing _men_ carrying crosses; but when it comes to women, I got very little in the way of ironic depictions of the expression “her cross to bear”; I got one or two pictures of women carrying crosses around for a cause; and I got a handful of what can only be described as “cosplay Jesus”, a photograph of a woman carrying a cross while dressed in rags/with a thorn crown (and often topless, though I have safe search on so nothing is explicit, thank _God_). It feels like the strangest genre of cosplay ever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-and-pop-culture-dont-yuck-my-yum-spoilers-for-the-movie-poor-things/997107.md?page=10)