# Misogyny on the SDMB, Sept. 2018 edition **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [September 25, 2018, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899 "2018-09-25T17:45:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/101 "2018-09-28T05:40:02Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > You don’t have to ban people, you just need to stop the behavior. Y’all need a Box but if you won’t install that then let community moderation do the heavy lifting. If you get complaints about the way a specific poster is behaving in a thread then kick them OUT of that thread. That way the thread can go along in a different direction and the offensive person is prevented from riding their hobbyhorse–but they’re welcome to shut up and listen. You don’t need to worry about what forum they’re in or whatever the fuck, just if they get enough reports in thread for being racist or misogynist or rapey or gross or whatever then give 'em a note that says “get outta the thread now” and that’s that. If they want to take it up in PM that’s fine but make it crystal clear that mod notes kicking someone out of a thread will not ever be reversed or rescinded. They can go make their own goddamned thread on the same topic, with blackjack and blow if it makes 'em happy, but the original thread is no longer an option for them. > > I’d give a report from the OP a considerable amount of weight–it’s their content and if some fuckforbrains is gunking it up I think they ought to get some say in who gets to play in their sandbox. That’s just me, though. > > Benefit is that the regular offenders will be getting kicked out of certain threads tout de suite, then those threads can go on in whatever tangent they like. The community (even lurkers) feel empowered because when they get frustrated by some mindless git’s failure to comprehend the most basic concepts they can clear the fart stench from the room with a few strategic reports. After a while, it will become crystal clear who the worst offenders are and whether or not the board benefits when their participation in certain types of thread is curtailed. Some might learn to stop being assholes and learn how to play nice with others in order not to get booted from a thread they’re genuinely interested in. Nobody’s MAH FREE SPEECHES are abridged, they’re perfectly free to go start a parallel thread with their own preferred slant on things and the rest of the community is free to either participate or ignore those threads as they choose. Seems like a pretty easy solution to me. What all the storm und drang on this board stems from is that many of the board’s posters want this place to be an echo chamber. They absolutely cannot stand dissent and invariably seek to get people moderated and/or banned not for breaking any rules but simply for having different beliefs than they do. And since for the most part no rules are being broken by the opposition, they’ll land on the only ambiguous one allowed and attempt to portray their opponents as being “jerks.” And many of them truly believe it. They simply cannot imagine any way for anyone What you are suggesting is just another way of achieving this. Sure, your plan still allows for dissent, but it also attempts to shuttle it aside where hardly anyone is exposed to it so everyone else can go merrily on their way promoting whatever ideas or viewpoints they want without being challenged on them. The board’s management, to its credit, seeks to have a board where dissenting ideas and points of view can be heard. It sees value in having dissenting viewpoints on the board and consciously acts so as not to have this place turn into an echo chamber. But because so many of the board’s posters are so absolutely convinced of the moral superiority of their views and their beliefs and the intensity with which they hold them, they are utterly incapable of tolerating disagreement and automatically jump the conclusion that anyone who opposes them is, by that very fact, assholes. So they pester the mods and screech make demands for things like topic bans, thread bans or outright banning for those they’ve been unsuccessful at driving away through pile-ons, insults and mockery. There is only one way that only one side can be heard from, and that is through dictatorship. The country’s founders recognized that people are not free if their speech is proscribed so that only one point of view is allowed. It’s not for nothing that communist dictatorships, which I hope we can agree are liberal at their base, are notorious for suppressing free speech and also punitive toward those who express disagreement with the party line. Everywhere in this country we see efforts by people on the left to quash ideas they disagree with and prevent the proponents of them from being heard I’ve always admired the fact that the board’s administration and its moderators have been willing to put up with the amount of whinging they have to endure in order to keep this place from becoming the full-on left-wing echo chamber that so many of its members so strongly desire it to be. None of the board’s conservative posters behave in any way like the majority of its liberal posters. We don’t hurl expletives and vulgar insults at our opponents at anything approaching the way the board’s liberal posters do with us. We don’t accuse them of being mean, uncaring, willfully evil or any other insults intended to portray them as being deliberate assholes to their fellow man. In short, the posters here who constantly come in for abuse and accusations of an endless variety of assholism are not the ones who are engaging in it. I hope the board will continue to allow those of us who disagree with the prevailing political sentiments here to continue to have a voice. I also hope that as the board attempts to grow that it will seek and welcome dissenting posters to liven the place up even more and to offer an even greater sense of perspective as to how the other side thinks. I believe this would become a terribly boring place should it eventually become a board where liberals congregate to preach to the choir, virtue signal and slap each other on the back over what wonderful and superior people they are. This board’s liberal members live in enough of a bubble as it is, given the shock, surprise, horror and disbelief evident in their reaction to the election of Donald Trump. They are clearly out of step with a very large percentage of American citizens and it would behoove them to try to learn how the other side thinks, rather than seeking to drive them away to become even more insulated and ignorant of the outside world. Time and time again we hear on this board about how Trump’s voters are racists, misogynists, Nazis, etc., but invariably when one of the board’s posters comment about family or personal acquaintances who support Donald Trump, those people somehow never fit the liberal image of Trump supporters. One would think that eventually it would begin to sink in that Trump’s voters are not the evil beings everyone here is so utterly convinced they are, and that to a great degree they’re just normal everyday people going about their lives the way everyone else does, taking their kids to school or soccer practice, buying groceries, mowing their lawns and trying to pay the bills. Not many of the board’s posters know this now, but should the place ever become the echo chamber so many desire they’ll never even be able to imagine it. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/102 "2018-09-28T05:45:42Z")
Yeah there is a whole bunch of referring to Republicans as Nazis going on at the moment in Elections. Pretty nasty and despicable broad brush. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/103 "2018-09-28T06:16:44Z")
Yes, nasty and despicable. And commonplace. Yet we’re the ones who should be banned. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/104 "2018-09-28T06:28:18Z")
…and another misogyny discussion gets whatabouted… Good job, _boys_. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/105 "2018-09-28T06:32:44Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Maybe no one wants to give you their contact info. I know that’s not worth a hundred bucks to me. > [@raventhief](#): > > I’m going to need way more than 100 dollars to reveal my actual identity, but thanks anyway. I’m surprised at your apparent naivety and lack of imagination. Still, I can’t help but think that if you two really tried to wrap your heads around it, you could think of a way payment could be achieved while also maintaining anonymity for all involved. Care to give it a try? ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/106 "2018-09-28T06:41:07Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Yeah there is a whole bunch of referring to Republicans as Nazis going on at the moment in Elections. Pretty nasty and despicable broad brush. > [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Yes, nasty and despicable. And commonplace. > > Yet we’re the ones who should be banned. :rolleyes: Yes, good job at trying to change the topic of discussion from your misogynistic posts to how you guys are being tormented for **your** misogynistic posts. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/107 "2018-09-28T06:43:14Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Care to give it a try? Not unless you care to give it a try at not posting misogynist posts. Or is that not fun for you? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 6:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/108 "2018-09-28T06:58:48Z")
I never post misogynistic posts. I do post things that get called misogynistic by the offenderatti, but that doesn’t mean they’re misogynistic in point of fact. I know this because “misogynistic” doesn’t mean "whatever agenda-fied women and their liberal male lackeys decide to take offense at. To those of us who haven’t fallen through the rabbit hole, “misogynistic” requires, you know…misogyny. And the things I post don’t contain that. Quite the contrary actually. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 8:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/109 "2018-09-28T08:12:23Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > “misogynistic” requires, you know…misogyny. So, stuff like characterising sexual assault of young women as not “all that serious”? That kind of thing? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 9:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/110 "2018-09-28T09:09:40Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I never post misogynistic posts. > > I do post things that get called misogynistic by the offenderatti, but that doesn’t mean they’re misogynistic in point of fact. > > I know this because “misogynistic” doesn’t mean "whatever agenda-fied women and their liberal male lackeys decide to take offense at. > > To those of us who haven’t fallen through the rabbit hole, “misogynistic” requires, you know…misogyny. > > And the things I post don’t contain that. Quite the contrary actually. You don’t appear to have the ability to recognize misogyny, based on your posts. All the women in these threads have told you that your approach is misogynistic, but nothing has sunk in for you. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/111 "2018-09-28T09:40:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You don’t appear to have the ability to recognize misogyny, based on your posts. All the women in these threads have told you that your approach is misogynistic, but nothing has sunk in for you. Even beyond that, he’s characterized those who point this out to him as literally brainwashed. He’s right, everyone else is wrong, and there’s no way that could change because we’re all brainwashed by a victimhood mentality. Past a certain point, regardless of whether or not someone is simply trolling, discussion becomes impossible. SA is not going to get better. If we’re going to demand better (and I think we should) on the topic of blatant misogyny, his days here are badly numbered. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/112 "2018-09-28T10:32:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > You don’t appear to have the ability to recognize misogyny, based on your posts. All the women in these threads have told you that your approach is misogynistic, but nothing has sunk in for you. > [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > Even beyond that, he’s characterized those who point this out to him as literally brainwashed. Correct. This is why today’s women quail and have their lives ruined by things that would have been but a momentary annoyance to women in 1960. What you two don’t realize is that your view is an _opinion_. You behave as though I continue to turn a blind eye to the facts when the reality is that not only that there are no facts but only opinion. Additionally, there’s the fact that asignificant portion of America’s women don’t agree with you, as Trump’s election should have made you aware by now. To give just one example, here’s a post that appeared on my Facebook feed yesterday from one of those 1960s women who is 69 years old now: > [@](#): > > When did this country become a country of totally pure ethical females and horrible degenerate males? I guarantee there are as many 15 yo girls begging and luring men to have sex with them or make out at some party. Women have to take responsibility for THEIR actions. I don’t walk down the streets of downtown LA at midnight counting the money in my billfold and then get mad because someone robbed or murdered me. You don’t go up to a mans hotel room alone and then be shocked that he makes advances. You don’t take three blue pills from a man and swallow them without knowing what they are and then be surprised you were drugged. You don’t dress like a hooker and then be surprised someone took your look to mean you wanted to be touched. You don’t put your career in front of your safety, go to his house, alone, and be surprised you aren’t reading for a part in his tv show. This country needs to get off its high horse and make women responsible for THEIR actions. It goes both ways. And every woman that has accused a man of rape by making up a story should go to prison. She also posted this: > [@](#): > > If we went through the senate and kicked out everyone who did something “unethical” when they were 17, there wouldn’t be enough there to even take a vote. Also let’s name and fire every damned one of them who highjacked the tax payers for > $ 15,000,000 to pay off their little secrets. Let’s make this an all out war. Don’t back down republicans. Give them hell. Don’t stand for this deplorable thing they are doing to this man. I am beyond fed up with liars, cheaters and unethical hypocrites who call themselves workers FOR the people. Stop taking our money and using it to disgrace this country. Every one of them should resign. What a circus and embarrassment this is to this country and to this fine honest man who would only be fair, honest and a constitutional Supreme Court judge. They should be excited that the Supreme Court would get a man like this. Beware because next time they might get someone who really did something and they will be sorry for it forever. Where has decency and honor of country gone let alone some famed common sense. They are making fools of themselves. And then there’s this from **don’t mind me** , a woman in the Pit thread dedicated to me: > [@](#): > > I feel compelled to add other details of that time. I was frighteningly naive when I went off to college. I frequently found myself - put myself, if you insist - into very uncomfortable situations with men my age. I had not the words or sense of self to voice my objections until in a similar position as Dr. Blasey Ford, although not by force. When I finally did, I was met with frustration and disappointment, but never with threats or violence. All of these men - of age 19 to 21 - sighed and backed off. To my memory, all saw me safely to my car or home with no further advances. > > I say all this to say, it was by no means assumed universally, or even commonly, that anything short of kicking and screaming is consent. I can’t imagine any of them putting their hands over my mouth and turning up the music to hide my screams for help. Even in the freewheeling 70s, most of the time no meant no. So yeah, when women on this board who’ve obviously been steeped in the victimhood dogma of the left for years and years insist that I’m being a misogynist, I don’t come close to accepting that as fact. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/113 "2018-09-28T10:51:36Z")
Here’s more from another woman on Facebook, 66 years old: > [@](#): > > That guy in kindergarten, pushing in line during 3rd grade, accidentally hitting someone on the school ground while playing red river. That is just grade school. > Middle and high school…You need a journal and a calendar for every day for the rest of your life. No celebrations, no proms, no parties, because a young woman in 36 years might make a declaration against you for some unknown wrong. A kiss , a hug, dunking their head under water trying to drown them…anything. And , it is a 2 way street. Some man might want THAT job or promotion you are looking at. > Forget college…men you are ALL GUILTY of raping, hurting, women. According to the Senator from Hawaii…All you men are GUILTY so step up. > Good luck. > [@](#): > > I am matching this hearing. It’s a joke. The Republicans have lost, while trying not to be 12 old white men. Dr Ford can say anything and THE Democrats Will say “good for you, and you are so brave”. > I am disgusted THAT any man or woman’s life and career can be determined and definitely destroyed by actions like we are seeing today. > Remember WOMEN, this could happen to you just like it’s happening to this man. > [@](#): > > DEMOCRATS! The next one appointed will be a WOMAN! OUCH! > [@](#): > > Biggest waste of time I have ever seen. > Republicans at this time deserve to lose Judge Kavanagh for the Supreme Court. Never saw such "silence " from the Republicans. The female attorney supposedly questioning Dr Ford…is worthless. Better 11 angry white old men questioning and silence. The moral? Doper women are not representative of all American women. Shocking, huh? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/114 "2018-09-28T11:03:57Z")
I would really urge anyone who is troubled by how obvious sexist trolls are allowed to operate freely on the SDMB to rethink any financial support they have given, or are considering to give to the board. I regret purchasing a membership recently and if you were considering doing so, I would suggest you hold off until we see how the mods address the rampant sexism and trolling here. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/115 "2018-09-28T11:23:29Z")
I’m already not paying because of the lack of moderation on racism, but the moderation on sexism is making me not pay twice as hard. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/116 "2018-09-28T11:27:43Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I would really urge anyone who is troubled by how obvious sexist trolls are allowed to operate freely on the SDMB to rethink any financial support they have given, or are considering to give to the board. I regret purchasing a membership recently and if you were considering doing so, I would suggest you hold off until we see how the mods address the rampant sexism and trolling here. Inconvenient truths are so…inconvienient, aren’t they, **monk**? Believe it or not, posting to refute claims and attitudes on this board do not constitute sexism and/or trolling. They constitute debate. Do you want an echo chamber or do you want discussion of opposing viewpoints? If you’re only interested in an echo chamber I’m sure there are plenty of liberal or Democrat boards around where you can go and hear yourself reflected back to you to your heart’s content. > [@MrDibble](#): > > I’m already not paying because of the lack of moderation on racism, but the moderation on sexism is making me not pay twice as hard. That’s okay. I recently coughed up to get my Charter Membership recovered and probably paid enough to more than offset the both of you, even if only one of you deigns to pay. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/117 "2018-09-28T11:33:16Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > That’s okay. I recently coughed up to get my Charter Membership recovered and probably paid enough to more than offset the both of you, even if only one of you deigns to pay. It’s going to suck when you get eventually banned, then. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/118 "2018-09-28T11:40:33Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > I’m surprised at your apparent naivety and lack of imagination. > > Still, I can’t help but think that if you two really tried to wrap your heads around it, you could think of a way payment could be achieved while also maintaining anonymity for all involved. > > Care to give it a try? How many people do you have to pay off so far? ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/119 "2018-09-28T11:54:38Z")
Zero out of six. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899/120 "2018-09-28T12:04:25Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Zero out of six. Are you going to explain to all those that think they have earned the money how exactly they have erred? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-on-the-sdmb-sept-2018-edition/821899.md?page=7)