# Misogyny, victim-blaming, and the board culture (yet again) **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [November 15, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504 "2019-11-15T19:37:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/261 "2019-11-20T18:49:25Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > SamuelA - most of your posts in this thread are pretty objectionable, and go far beyond the statement that spawned this thread. Plus, you seem more interested in having a Ford/Kavanaugh discussion rather than one about the board or moderation. While that is the underlying subject of the comment in question, this isn’t the place to rehash that bit. It should be noted SamuelA is the only one you admonished for changing the subject to Ford/ Kavanaugh while multiple other posters have done likewise. I feel there is genuine bias against certain points of view and those people who express those views. Instead having reasonable discussions, they hide behind claims of misogyny. Don’t give into them. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/262 "2019-11-20T18:52:40Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > And I thought the moderators had a pretty good handle on what is “misogyny”. I’m no longer confident that’s the case. Possibly it’s because of the moderation staff turnover, or maybe it’s due to something else. It is telling that during the previous shitstorm over misogyny, which resulted in more strict moderation of misogynistic posts, there was a female moderator. And now as a former mod, she has said she found HD’s comment misogynistic. Unfortunately we only have the male moderation staff making the calls today, and those standards seem to have reverted to the way it used to be. I hope TubaDiva is successful finding some more moderators willing to come on board, and is able to expand the range of perspectives a bit. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/263 "2019-11-20T19:05:26Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > My point was to say that HD has a legitimate point of viewing informing his post and that Ford purposefully attacked kavanaugh with the intent of causing harm. The death threats (both aimed at her and kavanaugh) are a forseeable consequence of her actions. Do you feel everyone should take the possibility of death threats against their attacker into account before reporting a crime? ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/264 "2019-11-20T19:13:23Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Do you feel everyone should take the possibility of death threats against their attacker into account before reporting a crime? This wasn’t a crime report, it was an explicit attack. A crime report would be going to the police in a timely manner when records and witnesses still exist. ---
**Author:** ![Helena330](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helena330/32/531_2.png) [@Helena330](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helena330)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/265 "2019-11-20T19:14:49Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > We used to (so I am told), but apparently **TubaDiva** wants to recruit more moderators anyways. You can head over to the other thread and suggest more diversity in the up and coming expanded mod pool. > > ~Max We’ve heard it before. Action is what counts now. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/266 "2019-11-20T19:15:49Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > This wasn’t a crime report, it was an explicit attack. A crime report would be going to the police in a timely manner when records and witnesses still exist. And people like you are the reason why women dont feel comfortable doing so. Congrats! ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/267 "2019-11-20T19:18:44Z")
> [@Helena330](#): > > We’ve heard it before. Action is what counts now. Do you know what happens if you complain to an institution? Usually, absolutely nothing. But if you go to a different institution things get better immediately. Have you heard of Reddit? In Reddit, many subreddits are explicit echo chambers with no dissent allowed. This is what you are asking for. There are subreddits explicitly moderated by women for women where any posts outside the opinions of that subreddit are downvoted and the posters will be banned. There is also a couple that are safe spaces for Trump supporters. In them, the impeachment hearings don’t even exist, just missteps by liberals. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/268 "2019-11-20T19:25:54Z")
The key that makes this possible is the voting system. Here, the posts you find offensive don’t break any rules. I explain logically the key holes in Ford’s story. You find this to be victim blaming - I don’t accept it as certain that Ford is even a victim at all. So the mods don’t delete my posts. But on Reddit, it’s based on the opinions of the crowd, and these posts of mine would be invisible on some subreddits. On others, yours would be the ones voted down to oblivion. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/269 "2019-11-20T19:34:04Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > How about we go a step further. Unless we have an equal representation of all races and genders this means the mod pool is biased. Let’s actively discriminate against mod applicants who are of over represented races and genders in favor of minorities and women. Who we should lower the bar for. Yes, because it’s SO FUCKING UNREASONABLE to expect that the gender that is the ACTUAL MAJORITY in the US be represented, if not equally, then at least nominally in the moderation staff of this incredibly and overwhelmingly cranky old white male space. How dare we. So unreasonable, these women, expecting such consideration and SPECIAL TREATMENT. **flips vigorous double bird** ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/270 "2019-11-20T19:36:47Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > This wasn’t a crime report, it was an explicit attack. A crime report would be going to the police in a timely manner when records and witnesses still exist. Ah, I see. So do you feel that unless a victim files an actual crime report in a timely manner, they should shut up about it for all time? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/271 "2019-11-20T19:40:23Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Who we should lower the bar for. The hell? ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/272 "2019-11-20T19:54:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The hell? Heh. He’s saying that the only way Helena330, MandaJo, ITD, etc could be mods is through affirmative action. SMH. ETA SmartAleq, Sunny, etc Post-post script: unless they’ve all been offered, but turned down, modships. ---
**Author:** ![Modesty\_Blaise](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Modesty\_Blaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Modesty_Blaise)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/273 "2019-11-20T19:58:21Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The hell? Yeah I caught that too. It’s just a given that the bar must be lowered because females and people of color are inferior to the master class of people. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/274 "2019-11-20T19:59:43Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Heh. He’s saying that the only way Helena330, MandaJo, ITD, etc could be mods is through affirmative action. SMH. > > ETA SmartAleq, Sunny, etc Or any mods of colour, too. > [@](#): > > Post-post script: unless they’ve all been offered, but turned down, modships. None of the ones who post \*elsewhere \*have mentioned it. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/275 "2019-11-20T20:01:53Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Or any mods of colour, too. I know the sexes, but not the races, of the moderators, but isn’t at least one not white? ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/276 "2019-11-20T20:07:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Good of you to own it, but that’s still fucked up. > > We’ve been told in the past that we’re \*encouraged \*to report posts, and now we find out that no, that just makes it _worse_? Wonderful! Everyone continues to be encouraged to report posts they believe violate rules. I think you’re misinterpreting what I’m saying, especially given I set up that comment with a fairly specific fact pattern beyond just reporting posts. Imagine a scenario where everytime you, MrDibble, posts something, there are two or three people who will report it and say that due to your direct style and cutting wit, you are not in fact posting in good faith, but are being insulting to other posters. Like, every single time. How would you handle that? I look at every report, and make an independent evaluation. Sometimes, I’ll agree, sometimes I’ll disagree, and other times could be borderline and I could see it from multiple points of view. I think that’s normal. Are you saying that if this was the fact pattern, after a certain number of reports you wouldn’t get a sense of your level of agreement, while still maintaining that independent evaluation? Because that’s what I’m saying. Add to that the chorus of reports are along the lines of “do your fucking job”, then yeah, I don’t think it’s a revelation to say that those do get discounted. I still read every report and make an independent evaluation. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/277 "2019-11-20T20:10:13Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I know the sexes, but not the races, of the moderators, but isn’t at least one not white? **Asimovian** ’s the only recent one I know of, and they’re no longer a mod. Sure, any of the others \*could \*be - and to **Samuel** , their username might as well be **Token** , apparently. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/278 "2019-11-20T20:22:59Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > Imagine a scenario where everytime you, MrDibble, posts something, there are two or three people who will report it and say that due to your direct style and cutting wit, you are not in fact posting in good faith, but are being insulting to other posters. Like, every single time. How would you handle that? If it’s the same 2 or 3 posters always _and only_ reporting the one poster (me)? I’d PM them to get a new hobby. Or else. If those same 3 posters are \*also \*regular reporters of other legit violations, I might question whether I was, in fact, the asshole. > [@](#): > > Are you saying that if this was the fact pattern, after a certain number of reports you wouldn’t get a sense of your level of agreement, while still maintaining that independent evaluation? I can’t parse this sentence, could you rephrase it, please? > [@](#): > > Add to that the chorus of reports are along the lines of “do your fucking job”, then yeah, I don’t think it’s a revelation to say that those do get discounted. Those should be. _Only_ those, even if they’re complaining about the same post as other, not-rude, reports. That wasn’t the style of thing your other post indicated - it seemed to indicate that both merely persistent _as well as_ rude reports would get discounted if they were all about the same post or poster. > [@](#): > > I still read every report and make an independent evaluation. Sorry, that doesn’t jibe with what you said. It still seems like you \*do \*let the weight of reports impact your decisions, in a negative fashion. ---
**Author:** ![Amara\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7993a0/32.png) [@Amara\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amara_1)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/279 "2019-11-20T20:25:47Z")
> [@Modesty\_Blaise](#): > > Yeah I caught that too. It’s just a given that the bar must be lowered because females and people of color are inferior to the master class of people. :rolleyes: It’s in-line with his earlier comment referencing that, of course, Blasey-Ford would want to have sex with “a high-status” male. It’s a view of the world where others- women and minorities - are inherently inferior and desire the goodwill/approval of their superiors at all times. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/280 "2019-11-20T20:28:26Z")
> [@Amara\_1](#): > > It’s in-line with his earlier comment referencing that, of course, Blasey-Ford would want to have seen with “a high-status” male. That \*was \*a bit of a dog whistle, wasn’t it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504.md?page=15)