# Misogyny, victim-blaming, and the board culture (yet again) **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [November 15, 2019, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504 "2019-11-15T19:37:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/361 "2019-11-25T19:08:59Z")
Will this mean active recruitment of female mods? I wouldn’t mind seeing Elections and GD having only female mods for a year or so, coming in jackboots a-stompin and banhammer a-swingin, to make some needed changes. Let Tom and JC take a break or take on a different forum. ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/362 "2019-11-25T19:16:42Z")
Stay tuned for further developments. Jenny your humble TubaDiva Administrator I can say no more. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/363 "2019-11-25T19:34:40Z")
That… sounds positive, I suppose. Hopefully the results will be for the better. Please keep the board updated as to the progress. And I hope we will get a judgment on this particular instance, even if it’s just for information and education rather than for disciplinary purposes. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/364 "2019-11-25T19:38:39Z")
I’ll credit it when I see it. We’ve heard this tune before… ---
**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/365 "2019-11-25T21:05:00Z")
nm (dup of other poster) ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/366 "2019-11-25T22:08:30Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I’ll credit it when I see it. We’ve heard this tune before… Exactly, and not that long ago. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2019, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/367 "2019-11-25T23:07:32Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > Women hold up half the sky. Oh we quoting Mao now ? Fucking finally. I’ll get started on the Molotovs. 🙂 (I kid, I kid. You know how it is - no one cared who I was until I put on the Marx…) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/368 "2019-11-28T01:45:38Z")
Is this still under discussion? Is it just under the broader topic of “We’re trying to make the Dope better”? Or something else? I’m still interested, and I don’t think it’s been adequately resolved, for what it’s worth. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/369 "2019-11-28T13:49:55Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Is this still under discussion? Is it just under the broader topic of “We’re trying to make the Dope better”? Or something else? I’m still interested, and I don’t think it’s been adequately resolved, for what it’s worth. Good question. Because the **specific** problem of misogyny on the Dope really overshadows whatever other problems we have, AFAIAC. I’m concerned that if it gets rolled into some broader “making the Dope better” agenda, it likely won’t get addressed in anything near a sufficient manner. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2019, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/370 "2019-11-28T16:06:52Z")
This is a really good point. Our problems are racism and sexism. Trying to abstract that isn’t necessary nor helpful. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2019, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/371 "2019-11-29T03:03:11Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > This is a really good point. Our problems are racism and sexism. Trying to abstract that isn’t necessary nor helpful. Transphobia/transmisogyny are in there, too. I think the underlying problem is how the board deals with bigotry, which is why, in all of those “make the board better” posts, I keep bringing it up. Even the “settled topics” stuff is about bigotry, in my opinion. Those are the topics that are settled. The fact that sexism, racism, transphobia, etc. are incorrect is settled. Misogyny is the first thing to deal with, because it affects the most. Then probably racism. Then likely transphobia before homophobia, as there is more of the former. By that point, I’d expect that we’d have a general idea of how to deal with bigotry, and could then use that same framework (with tweaking) for any other form of bigotry. Combine that with “you can’t use someone’s trauma to attack them” which deals with the worst of the anti-mentally ill bigotry, and you have a workable solution. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2019, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/372 "2019-11-29T12:57:53Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Transphobia/transmisogyny are in there, too. I think the underlying problem is how the board deals with bigotry, which is why, in all of those “make the board better” posts, I keep bringing it up. > > Even the “settled topics” stuff is about bigotry, in my opinion. Those are the topics that are settled. The fact that sexism, racism, transphobia, etc. are incorrect is settled. > > Misogyny is the first thing to deal with, because it affects the most. Then probably racism. Then likely transphobia before homophobia, as there is more of the former. By that point, I’d expect that we’d have a general idea of how to deal with bigotry, and could then use that same framework (with tweaking) for any other form of bigotry. > > Combine that with “you can’t use someone’s trauma to attack them” which deals with the worst of the anti-mentally ill bigotry, and you have a workable solution. Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2019, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/373 "2019-11-29T13:07:12Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Transphobia/transmisogyny are in there, too. I think the underlying problem is how the board deals with bigotry, which is why, in all of those “make the board better” posts, I keep bringing it up. > > Even the “settled topics” stuff is about bigotry, in my opinion. Those are the topics that are settled. The fact that sexism, racism, transphobia, etc. are incorrect is settled. > > Misogyny is the first thing to deal with, because it affects the most. Then probably racism. Then likely transphobia before homophobia, as there is more of the former. By that point, I’d expect that we’d have a general idea of how to deal with bigotry, and could then use that same framework (with tweaking) for any other form of bigotry. > > Combine that with “you can’t use someone’s trauma to attack them” which deals with the worst of the anti-mentally ill bigotry, and you have a workable solution. I agree. I was mentally lumping all gender issues under “sexism”. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/374 "2019-12-02T17:19:06Z")
So, mods… can we at least get some sort of status on this – i.e. “yes, this issue is still under discussion among the staff” or “no, we consider this resolved”, or even “we’re not sure what to do about this but once we’ve hired more moderators we’re going to come up with a plan”? ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/375 "2019-12-02T19:00:13Z")
In our everyday actions here we are working on improving things. We appreciate the ongoing discussions that are helping to shape our choices. We hope users take at least some of this to heart. Change needs to come from all participants. All any of us can do is to strive to do better. It takes time and effort to lift a culture. It likewise takes a minute or two to bring new moderators on board. We don’t just read an application, approve them on the spot, grant them privileges, and throw them on the board to figure it out themselves. There’s a process and it’s ongoing. Jenny your humble TubaDiva Administrator ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/376 "2019-12-02T19:08:36Z")
> [@TubaDiva](#): > > In our everyday actions here we are working on improving things. > > We appreciate the ongoing discussions that are helping to shape our choices. > > We hope users likewise take at least some of this to heart. Change needs to come from all participants. > > All any of us can do is to strive to do better. It takes time and effort to lift a culture. > > It likewise takes a minute or two to bring new moderators on board. We don’t just read an application, approve them on the spot, grant them privileges, and throw them on the board to figure it out themselves. There’s a process and it’s ongoing. > > Jenny > your humble TubaDiva > Administrator Thank you. To be clear, my post was not meant as a criticism of the moderator approval process at all. I’m eager to see the staff’s (existing and future) views on how we can improve the board WRT misogyny in general as well as some determination about the specific case that sparked this discussion, even if it’s just for informational purposes without a warning or other disciplinary action. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/377 "2020-01-02T19:31:52Z")
It’s been one month… has anything changed on this issue with regards to moderation? I know the poster that made the post sparking this thread has been banned, but what discussion/conclusions have been made behind the scenes about how misogyny, victim blaming, and the like, is affecting the board and posters? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2020, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/378 "2020-01-02T21:20:54Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > It’s been one month… has anything changed on this issue with regards to moderation? I know the poster that made the post sparking this thread has been banned, but what discussion/conclusions have been made behind the scenes about how misogyny, victim blaming, and the like, is affecting the board and posters? For what it’s worth, I think you can use the new hijack rules and emphasis on short focused threads to your advantage. Specifically, I think the new rules on hijacking would be enough to sanction the post that sparked this thread. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/379 "2020-01-03T05:10:15Z")
We’re working through things, including technical issues. That alone has slowed things down as we figure out what’s going on and how to fix stuff. It’s an ongoing process. And no, i don’t know all the details. We told you there would be changes. And they are coming slowly – perhaps too slowly for some – but we are getting there. Your patience will be rewarded. It’s not quite that great getting up morning and I apologize for that. We’re getting there a step at a time. Jenny your humble TubaDiva Administrator ---
**Author:** ![TubaDiva](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tubadiva/32/507_2.png) [@TubaDiva](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TubaDiva)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504/380 "2020-01-03T05:10:29Z")
We’re working through things, including technical issues. That alone has slowed things down as we figure out what’s going on and how to fix stuff. It’s an ongoing process. And no, i don’t know all the details. We told you there would be changes. And they are coming slowly – perhaps too slowly for some – but we are getting there. Your patience will be rewarded. It’s not quite that great getting up morning and I apologize for that. We’re getting there a step at a time. Jenny your humble TubaDiva Administrator [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/misogyny-victim-blaming-and-the-board-culture-yet-again/843504.md?page=20)