# Miss Kaitlyn's first day in the classroom. **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 5, 2005, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209 "2005-01-05T16:17:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2005, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/221 "2005-01-09T18:10:08Z")
[Breasts-A Documentary](http://www.sugarpictures.com/Films/Breasts.html) I saw it a few years ago, so my memory is hazy. But, I remember it being surprisingly educational. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2005, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/222 "2005-01-09T18:29:59Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > The biggest difference for me is in sensitivity. The nipples are more sensitive generally and much more sexually sensitive. The skin in general, just like the skin all over my body, is significantly more sensitive. > > The other difference is that they have a little inertia and momentum of their own, and take a fraction of a second to catch up with the rest of the torso. This effect is likely more pronounced the larger they are, but I can’t speak from experience. > > Much of this movement is arrested through the use of a bra, especially for us smaller girls, and I’ve gotten so used to it that I don’t notice it any more most of the time. When I first started wearing bras, I noticed the bra more than the breasts, but now that I’m used to bras, I don’t really notice either unless I stop to think about it, bump into something, or am doing something unusual that draws my attention to them, like riding a roller coaster. With me the biggest change was that I had to learn to carry my arms differently when I walked to avoid banging my forearms into my breasts. It also affected how I slept in bed. I’ve also learned not to run down stairs unless I’m wearing a relatively sturdy bra. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2005, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/223 "2005-01-09T20:52:01Z")
> [@KellyM](#): > > With me the biggest change was that I had to learn to carry my arms differently when I walked to avoid banging my forearms into my breasts. It also affected how I slept in bed. I’ve also learned not to run down stairs unless I’m wearing a relatively sturdy bra. I can’t recall if I’ve had occasion to run up or down stairs–our house has none-- but running in general is much different. On the other two points, I’ll just say me too. Crossing my arms across my chest just doesn’t work anymore. ---
**Author:** ![lel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@lel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lel)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2005, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/224 "2005-01-09T22:18:00Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > Crossing my arms across my chest just doesn’t work anymore. It helps when you’re running down stairs… :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2005, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/225 "2005-01-09T22:20:13Z")
> [@KellyM](#): > > Me neither. I don’t understand why people say heels are so hard to wear; I have three and four inch heels that are no more difficult to walk in or wear than flats. Note: I said “walk”. Running is another story. 🙂 In that case, both you and Kaitlyn are more womanly than I am - I’ve never been able to tolerate more than 1 inch heel for any length of time. I’m talking about hobbling about in pain with tears running down my cheeks sorts of agony. Then again, I’ve never had to _prove_ my womanhood to a hostile world, so maybe the issues involved are completely different for me. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/226 "2005-01-10T00:33:54Z")
I’ve been following this thread off and on for several days (partly in order to stretch out the warm and fuzzy feeling it gives me for as long as possible 🙂 ), and all I can say is, **Kaitlyn** , You rock, your principal and VP rock, and Mrs Six rocks. ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/227 "2005-01-10T01:57:57Z")
**Kaitlyn** , I know you want to act like a woman, but high heels? Girl, you are so going to ruin your feet! You may like the way your legs look now, but later! Set your own style and find some dressy looking flat shoes, they do exist. Or maybe I’m just jealous. But I can’t stand any heels, my feet start to hurt almost at once. I wear good quality work shoes, rather expensive, as I have a standup job,(a baker, ya know?) My feet are almost never tired, but even the most modest heel hurts on my large, wide feet. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/228 "2005-01-10T03:54:08Z")
> [@Baker](#): > > **Kaitlyn** , I know you want to act like a woman, but high heels? Girl, you are so going to ruin your feet! You may like the way your legs look now, but later! > > Set your own style and find some dressy looking flat shoes, they do exist. > > Or maybe I’m just jealous. But I can’t stand any heels, my feet start to hurt almost at once. I wear good quality work shoes, rather expensive, as I have a standup job,(a baker, ya know?) My feet are almost never tired, but even the most modest heel hurts on my large, wide feet. I usually do wear flats, just because they’re more practical for most situations, and because I wear mostly knee length skirts and dresses (fashion rule of thumb: below the knee, low heel, above the knee, high heel; evening gowns and tea dresses excepted). But when I do decide to opt for the shorter skirt, I’m getting out those 3 inchers. ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/229 "2005-01-10T07:11:26Z")
Ok, this is easily the weirdest thing I have ever done as a result of something I have read here. After reading **KellyM** and **lel** ’s comments, I realized that there’s a girl experience I haven’t had yet, and I just had to know. So I took off my bra and put on my jogging pants (pink ones, of course), but instead of a sports top, I wore a t-shirt under my heavy sweatshirt. I went to the park, but instead of jogging around the circuit training track, I went to the stadium. Where I ran up and down the stairs. With no bra or sport top. Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![Othersider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/cab0a1/32.png) [@Othersider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Othersider)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/230 "2005-01-10T07:13:14Z")
I think this is where you thank God that your breasts aren’t any bigger. ---
**Author:** ![Shirley\_Ujest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shirley\_Ujest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shirley_Ujest)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/231 "2005-01-10T11:29:56Z")
I just wanted to wish you Kaitlyn a happy and uneventful week at school! ---
**Author:** ![Sean\_Factotum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Sean\_Factotum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sean_Factotum)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/232 "2005-01-10T15:21:00Z")
> [@Zoe](#): > > Just make sure that when you sell the rights to your story to the movie business, you stipulate that the roles of parents who take their kids out of your class must be played by pinch-faced puffy-eyed actors with bad haircuts. [hank hill] It’s unnatural, I tell ya. And I bet they don’t even use clean burning propane! [/hank hill] ---
**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/233 "2005-01-10T15:31:40Z")
It is not unfair to say that there are states in our country where this might be more tolerated than the one in which you currently reside. Your remark early on in this thread regarding carrying a pistol confirms this. I applaud your strength, and admire the relationship you and the Mrs. have- it clearly is a huge part of your support system to be in such a good marriage. By February the hubub should have died down, by April people will have gotten their doidies out of a twist completely and by year end in May, you will be admired as an educator and nothing more. Just be prepared for the guys in the staff lounge to hit on ya. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tripthicket](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripthicket/32/297_2.png) [@tripthicket](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tripthicket)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/234 "2005-01-10T16:32:18Z")
Just chiming in to add my expressions of admiration and congratulations. **Kaitlyn** , I am so envious of you, in that your spouse is so supportive, not that mine own is anything to sneeze at (Hi, honey!). One thing you’ve GOT to tell me is where I can find a boss like Mr. P. I know things for you haven’t been a bed of roses, but with those two in your corner, and with your own considerable strength (which is obvious in and of itself), I know you’ll be fine. Veering over to schmaltzy for a moment, I’d like to say that it is this very thread that ended my lengthy period of lurking and made me decide to subscribe. The outpouring of support, of good wishes, of honest conversation, has made me feel like I’m in a familiar place surrounded by very old and dear friends. It feels like a place I want to be a part of. For that, I thank all of you Dopers. Pat yourselves on the back for the everyday and mundane miracles that you are. Best wishes to you and yours, **Kaitlyn**. ---
**Author:** ![Pho\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9de0a6/32.png) [@Pho\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pho_King)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2005, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/235 "2005-01-10T23:24:30Z")
> [@](#): > > By February the hubub should have died down, by April people will have gotten their doidies out of a twist completely and by year end in May, you will be admired as an educator and nothing more. Not in Texas, sadly. It will probably take longer than that. Well, maybe not the hubub dying down part. But the whole “Sir, uh, I mean Ma’am”/People thinking of Kaitlin as the transsexual teacher thing most likely will be a bigger hump to get over. I know I’m raining all over Kaitlin’s thread, but it’s a sad truth. Please tell me I’m wrong if people really are more tolerant in your little piece of Texas, Kaitlin. I too registered because of this thread. It’s a little different than subscribing, but I’m probably going to do that too. Kaitlin, it took a lot of courage to be who you really are. I know everybody has said that, but I just wanted to say it again. But I wanted to know something, Kaitlin. Are your breasts especially jiggly or something? Because I have the same cup size as you and I don’t notice a lot of jostling around on roller coasters and I can get by with crossing my arms if I need to run bra-less. > [@](#): > > So I took off my bra and put on my jogging pants (pink ones, of course), but instead of a sports top, I wore a t-shirt under my heavy sweatshirt. I went to the park, but instead of jogging around the circuit training track, I went to the stadium. > Where I ran up and down the stairs. With no bra or sport top. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Kaitlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/73ab20/32.png) [@Kaitlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kaitlyn)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/236 "2005-01-11T01:51:56Z")
Today was a pretty ordinary day. The kids, as I’ve said before, don’t really seem to care. A couple of the other teachers seem to be actively avoiding me, and the converstion drops off to pretty much nothing whenever I enter the teacher’s lounge, but other than that it’s been pretty routine. Unless something unusual happens, I don’t see any need for more regual updates. > [@Pho King](#): > > Not in Texas, sadly. It will probably take longer than that. Well, maybe not the hubub dying down part. But the whole “Sir, uh, I mean Ma’am”/People thinking of Kaitlin as the transsexual teacher thing most likely will be a bigger hump to get over. I know I’m raining all over Kaitlin’s thread, but it’s a sad truth. Kindly intended and politely phrased warnings aren’t raining on my parade. Don’t worry about it. > [@](#): > > Kaitlin, it took a lot of courage to be who you really are. I know everybody has said that, but I just wanted to say it again. Thank you. I have it a lot easier than most transwomen because of my fantastic support base and the condition of my body when I started. There are a lot who lose their families, friends, and careers. > [@](#): > > But I wanted to know something, Kaitlin. Are your breasts especially jiggly or something? Because I have the same cup size as you and I don’t notice a lot of jostling around on roller coasters and I can get by with crossing my arms if I need to run bra-less. Nah, my girls are well behaved, especially when properly restrained. I think the sensations may seem enhanced to me because they’re relatively new. Yes, crossing the arms under the breasts helps tremendously. What I meant, and expressed poorly, was that absentmindedly crossing my arms across my chest the way a guy would–without arranging them to account for where they’ll come into contact with the breasts–has on more occasions than I care to count caused me to bang myself badly. You probably do this without thinking; I had to retrain myself how to do it, because the guy way just doesn’t work anymore. This was worst when they first began to develop. They hadn’t developed any mass yet, but the nipples and the nodule that forms behind them get very, very sensitive a couple of months in. It’s really only in the roller coaster sections that produce high g-forces or the really rough wooden coasters that I really notice the difference. Obviously in the free-fall sections you wouldn’t. It may also in part be due to the fact that I had ridden roller coasters thousands of times without boobs before I started riding them with boobs, so it’s still a relatively new experience for me. For example, my wife and I make two trips each year to southern California just so I can ride the coasters at Knott’s Berry Farm and Magic Mountain. KBF has a rocket coaster, Xcelerator, that accelerates riders from a dead stop to 80 miles an hour in just over 2 seconds. Before my transition, the sustained g-forces would be nearly enough to repositon my testicles in their pre-puberty position. The place where I feel this force the most has moved up a bit, but it’s still quite pronounced. So as long as we’re talking about breasts anyway, I thought I’d add something nobody has asked about but which most people don’t realize. When Mrs. Six and I decide to have children, I’ll likely be able to breast feed them. ---
**Author:** ![roger\_thornhill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d9b06d/32.png) [@roger\_thornhill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/roger_thornhill)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/237 "2005-01-11T01:55:35Z")
> [@Kaitlyn](#): > > So as long as we’re talking about breasts anyway, I thought I’d add something nobody has asked about but which most people don’t realize. When Mrs. Six and I decide to have children, I’ll likely be able to breast feed them. Wow! Four nipples to choose from. It should be one healthy baby. ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/238 "2005-01-11T04:58:08Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > Wow! Four nipples to choose from. It should be one healthy baby. Don’t get the hopes up too much. I wasn’t able to get my milk to come in for Loren. ---
**Author:** ![JillGat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9fc29f/32.png) [@JillGat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JillGat)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/239 "2005-01-11T05:39:32Z")
I assume you’ll have to take female hormones for life. As a woman facing menopause and now weighing the pros and cons of estrogen replacement therapy, I wonder what the health issues will be for you? What does your doctor say? Obviously you have a rather unorthodox marriage, by many people’s standards. Though I’ve known a few others like you. Do you consider yourself a lesbian couple or is that too limited a pigeon hole? Jill (who has never owned a pair of high heel shoes in her life) ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2005, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209/240 "2005-01-11T05:51:47Z")
> [@JillGat](#): > > I assume you’ll have to take female hormones for life. As a woman facing menopause and now weighing the pros and cons of estrogen replacement therapy, I wonder what the health issues will be for you? What does your doctor say? Since most transsexuals do not use progesterones, and since the most serious increased health risks identified for ciswomen who use postmenopausal HRT seem to be dependent on the use of progesterone in combination with estrogen, the risks aren’t all that high. One of the major serious risks, endometrial cancer, is obviously not an issue, as one obviously cannot get endometrial cancer if one does not have an endometrium. The main remaining risks (off the top of my head) are blood clots (oral estrogens increase clotting factors), liver problems (a risk with virtually all oral medications), and an increased risk of breast cancer. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/miss-kaitlyns-first-day-in-the-classroom/283209.md?page=13)