# Missile hits Poland - Biden call meeting
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion
**Created:** [November 16, 2022, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008 "2022-11-16T05:07:13Z")
**Posts on this page:** 15
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### Author:  [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/1 "2022-11-16T05:07:13Z")
So the Third World War starts in Poland, again?
> **[Biden: 'Unlikely' missile that hit Poland fired from Russia](https://apnews.com/article/g-20-summit-nato-biden-andrzej-duda-25e615909ba0d871d5092f5b3aec21c8)**
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> NUSA DUA, Indonesia (AP) — President Joe Biden said Wednesday it was “unlikely” that a missile that killed two in NATO-ally Poland was fired from Russia, but he pledged support for Poland's investigation into what it had called a “Russian-made”...
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### Author:  [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/2 "2022-11-16T05:26:21Z")
I’m desperately hoping Article 5 is invoked…
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### Author:  [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/3 "2022-11-16T05:36:13Z")
Not necessarily WWIII. NATO could make a limited response and just take out one or two missile launchers in Belarus, for example. Cruise missiles could do it. Make sure the Russians and Belarussians understand the limited nature of the attack, so they don’t think general war is breaking out.
This, of course, assumes that they establish that it was a Russian missile and not a Ukrainian one gone astray.
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### Author:  [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/4 "2022-11-16T05:45:30Z")
If it was a Russian missile, what are the chances that it was fired by a recently discharged ex-convict who’s whacked out of his head on krokodil? (Which is an even scarier thought.)
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### Author:  [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/5 "2022-11-16T07:01:17Z")
> **[World leaders hold emergency meeting as 'Russian-made' missile kills two in...](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/15/europe/poland-missile-rocket-nato-przewodow-ukraine-intl/index.html)**
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> World leaders gathering at the G20 summit in Bali are attempting to diffuse a potential escalation in the months-long Ukraine war after a "Russian-made" missile struck NATO-member Poland killing two people.
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### Author:  [@SanVito](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanVito)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/6 "2022-11-16T08:28:29Z")
> [@Velocity](#):
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> I’m desperately hoping Article 5 is invoked…
Why would anyone be desperate for that!
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### Author:  [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/7 "2022-11-16T09:17:38Z")
Yeah, I’ve seen that sentiment in several places on the internet and can’t wrap my head around it. I don’t see anything good coming from a widening conflict.
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### Author:  [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 10:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/8 "2022-11-16T10:21:04Z")
> **[Russia-Ukraine war: Zelenskiy dismisses Nato’s suggestion missile that hit...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2022/nov/16/russia-ukraine-war-live-news-emergency-g20-meeting-after-russian-made-missiles-land-in-poland)**
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> Poland’s president and Nato both say missile likely an accident by Ukrainian forces – but Kyiv says ‘it was not our rocket’
So, this was likely a Ukrainian anti-missile defense missile? I suspect everyone including Poland rightly points out that none of this wouldn’t have happened if Russia hadn’t fired that initial volley of missiles, and then the war carries on as it has, after a bunch of recriminations.
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### Author:  [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/9 "2022-11-16T13:05:13Z")
That poster has been champing at the bit since the beginning of the conflict for US/NATO to get directly militarily involved and apparently just curb stomp Russia out of Ukraine, threats of nuclear conflict and/or WWIII be damned. I don’t get it, either.
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### Author:  [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/10 "2022-11-16T15:48:47Z")
As long as one assumes the USA is invincible and one doesn’t really care what happens to the other NATO countries, a full-bore Article 5 response makes complete sense. Even if triggered by a mistaken pretext like a Ukrainian ABM gone wrong and landing in adjacent Poland.
That the above is so far from reality as to be laughable doesn’t mean it’s illogical. It’s just based on faulty premises and unrealistically narrow reasoning from those faulty premises.
A separate matter, common to every call for pre-emption in every tense place and time in history, is a belief that however dangerous the opposition is now, they’ll only be more dangerous later. So now is the best, or at least the least-bad time to strike.
That too is largely convenient BS, rather than sound analysis. But hardly rare in history, nor rare today ref NK / SK, or Russia / Ukraine, China / Taiwan, or Iran / everybody.
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### Author:  [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/11 "2022-11-16T18:34:06Z")
> [@SanVito](#):
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> > [@Velocity](#):
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> > I’m desperately hoping Article 5 is invoked…
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> Why would anyone be desperate for that!
Most likely someone that’s going to be safe if war breaks out and doesn’t care about anybody else.
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### Author:  [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/12 "2022-11-16T20:32:38Z")
That’s a heck of an underground bunker.
It’s nice to see that Poland and NATO are being very careful to NOT attribute this to deliberate action from Russia. No need to rush into WWIII.
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### Author:  [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)
#### Post date: [November 16, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/13 "2022-11-16T22:08:48Z")
Current reporting says it was an anti-aircraft missile from Ukraine’s effort to intercept Russian cruise missiles.
> **[Blast in Poland shows how easily Russia's war could tip into wider conflict...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/16/europe/poland-missile-nato-analysis-intl/index.html)**
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> Accidents are not usually how big wars get bigger. But the threat of wild escalation has heavily hung over Russia's blundering and brutal invasion of Ukraine almost since the beginning, and Tuesday's rocket blast in Poland brought that possibility...
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### Author:  [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/14 "2022-11-17T00:49:55Z")
> [@LoneRhino](#):
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> Most likely someone that’s going to be safe if war breaks out and doesn’t care about anybody else.
[https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/business/bunkers-new-zealand-intl-hnk/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/business/bunkers-new-zealand-intl-hnk/index.html)
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### Author:  [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)
#### Post date: [November 17, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missile-hits-poland-biden-call-meeting/975008/15 "2022-11-17T18:05:16Z")
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