# Missing Doctor Who episodes found. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 9, 2013, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741 "2013-10-09T02:13:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/21 "2013-10-10T00:14:55Z")
I hope they aren’t subtitled in Ethiopian. I guess subtitles could be digitally masked off? Looking forward to seeing which episodes were recovered. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/22 "2013-10-10T01:08:04Z")
> [@BrokenBriton](#): > > Ethiopia? You really couldn’t make it up. I read once that several “lost” films have been found in New Zealand. Apparently back in the day when movies were the dominant entertainment and reels of film were the medium, movies were physically shipped from one location to another. A movie might be shot in America and then play in the big cities on the East coast. Then it would be sent to the smaller cities and then shipped to theatres in the south and mid-west before finally ending up on the west coast. Having wrung all it could out the American market, the movie would then be shipped north and played in theatres across Canada. When it got to Newfoundland, it would be shipped across the Atlantic to Britain. After that it would be shipped around the British Empire, ending up in the remotest outposts - Australia and ultimately, New Zealand. New Zealand was basically the last place you’d show a movie - after that, there was no place left to ship it to for more showings. And because the studios didn’t have any reason to pay to have a movie sent back, the reels got dumped. In many cases, that was the literal end for the movie as it was destroyed. But some movies were just thrown into old warehouses and storage rooms and forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 2:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/23 "2013-10-10T02:31:48Z")
According to [this](http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/106-doctor-who-episodes-uncovered-2343474), it is pretty much all of the missing first and second doctor episodes from Ethiopia. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/24 "2013-10-10T09:55:39Z")
The Daily Mirror is not noted for its dedication to accuracy. It is known that many of the lost episodes were never sold to Ethiopia in the first place. It is therefore virtually impossible to find them there. In fact, I’ve seen an analysis that shows the maximum possible recovery from Ethiopia is about 25 missing episodes. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 10:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/25 "2013-10-10T10:33:36Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > The Daily Mirror is not noted for its dedication to accuracy. > > It is known that many of the lost episodes were never sold to Ethiopia in the first place. It is therefore virtually impossible to find them there. In fact, I’ve seen an analysis that shows the maximum possible recovery from Ethiopia is about 25 missing episodes. Would they necessarily have to have been sold directly to Ethiopia? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/26 "2013-10-10T16:56:20Z")
Message from someone actually at the press conference. [http://www.outpostskaro.com/v2\_5/index.php/news-cat-list/tvnews-list/390-missing-episodes-we-re-coming-in-to-land](http://www.outpostskaro.com/v2_5/index.php/news-cat-list/tvnews-list/390-missing-episodes-we-re-coming-in-to-land) He’s forbidden to reveal until just after midnight UK time. But its something pretty amazing, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/27 "2013-10-10T17:13:17Z")
I’m starting Doctor Who from the reboot movie and am now at Eccleston Ep. 5. I really hope that with this new discovery I “have” to go back and start with the first Doctor if you know what I mean. ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/28 "2013-10-10T17:17:13Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Message from someone actually at the press conference. > > [http://www.outpostskaro.com/v2\_5/index.php/news-cat-list/tvnews-list/390-missing-episodes-we-re-coming-in-to-land](http://www.outpostskaro.com/v2_5/index.php/news-cat-list/tvnews-list/390-missing-episodes-we-re-coming-in-to-land) > He’s forbidden to reveal until just after midnight UK time. But its something pretty amazing, apparently. Can you summarize anything interesting in that message? I’m timing out trying to get to that link. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/29 "2013-10-10T17:24:16Z")
The message is essentially “It was worth the wait.” ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/30 "2013-10-10T17:35:25Z")
Looks like the embargo has been broken: [http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10732000.\_Lost\_\_Dr\_Who\_serial\_found\_gathering\_dust\_abroad/](http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10732000._Lost__Dr_Who_serial_found_gathering_dust_abroad/) Summary: 9 new episodes, _The Enemy Of The World_ is now complete, and _The Web Of Fear_ is now only missing episode 3. Not bad at all. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/31 "2013-10-10T17:50:17Z")
> [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Looks like the embargo has been broken: > > [http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10732000.\_Lost\_\_Dr\_Who\_serial\_found\_gathering\_dust\_abroad/](http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10732000._Lost__Dr_Who_serial_found_gathering_dust_abroad/) > > Summary: 9 new episodes, _The Enemy Of The World_ is now complete, and _The Web Of Fear_ is now only missing episode 3. Not bad at all. The Northern Echo have taken the page down now :o ---
**Author:** ![deltasigma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e5b9ba/32.png) [@deltasigma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/deltasigma)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/32 "2013-10-10T18:01:37Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The message is essentially “It was worth the wait.” > [@Baron\_Greenback](#): > > Looks like the embargo has been broken: > > [http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10732000.\_Lost\_\_Dr\_Who\_serial\_found\_gathering\_dust\_abroad/](http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/10732000._Lost__Dr_Who_serial_found_gathering_dust_abroad/) > > Summary: 9 new episodes, _The Enemy Of The World_ is now complete, and _The Web Of Fear_ is now only missing episode 3. Not bad at all. Thanks. I got a screen print of the article in evernote before they took it down I suppose reprinting here wouldn’t go over well. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/33 "2013-10-10T23:11:47Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I hope they aren’t subtitled in Ethiopian. I guess subtitles could be digitally masked off? > > Looking forward to seeing which episodes were recovered. For the record, I do not care if there are subtitles. I’m guessing a lot of fans would consider subtitles to be a historical artifact. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/34 "2013-10-10T23:31:38Z")
Now available for download from iTunes, all of \*Enemy \*and _Web_ 12 episodes @ $1.99 each. That’s 10 new episodes. It turns out that Web 3 is available after all. > **[Doctor Who | Apple TV](https://tv.apple.com/us/season/season-5/umc.cmc.64ac6lefecjuwr955aqc5voyg?showId=umc.cmc.52lqyxkhn6bwoa05vvln5jbaa)** > > A cult favorite about the journeys through the universe of a time-traveling eccentric, a cultural icon who has been portrayed by more than a half doze… > **[Doctor Who | Apple TV](https://tv.apple.com/us/season/season-5/umc.cmc.64ac6lefecjuwr955aqc5voyg?showId=umc.cmc.52lqyxkhn6bwoa05vvln5jbaa)** > > A cult favorite about the journeys through the universe of a time-traveling eccentric, a cultural icon who has been portrayed by more than a half doze… ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2013, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/35 "2013-10-10T23:51:49Z")
Thank Og the BBC has _finally_ figured out there is not only a world-wide audience for _Who_, but that same audience is willing to pay a reasonable rate for it. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/36 "2013-10-11T00:01:46Z")
Correction - people are saying that Web 3 is a reconstruction, consisting of stills and soundtrack. Shame, really. Ep 3 is Lethbri8dge-Stewart’s debut. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/37 "2013-10-11T00:24:46Z")
Brilliant stuff: > [@](#): > > In this case, 11 Doctor Who episodes were discovered, nine of which were missing, in the Nigerian city of Jos. > > The find was made by Phillip Morris, director of a company called Television International Enterprises Archive. > > Mr Morris said: “The tapes had been left gathering dust in a storeroom at a television relay station in Nigeria. I remember wiping the dust off the masking tape on the canisters and my heart missed a beat as I saw the words, Doctor Who. When I read the story code I realised I’d found something pretty special.” > > He said it had been a “lucky” find given the high temperatures in the African country. “Fortunately they had been kept in the optimum condition.” > **[Doctor Who: Yeti classic among episodes found in Nigeria](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24467337)** > > The discovery in Nigeria of nine lost episodes of 1960s Doctor Who includes the classic story The Web of Fear, in which Patrick Troughton's Doctor battles robot yeti in the London Underground. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/38 "2013-10-11T00:28:07Z")
> [@](#): > > The find was made by Phillip Morris > > Mr Morris said … No relation. ---
**Author:** ![BrokenBriton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@BrokenBriton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrokenBriton)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/39 "2013-10-11T00:30:21Z")
I’m now imagining a bunch of Nigerians in the 1960s watching Dr Who mashing up Yetis on some ropey black and white box. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2013, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741/40 "2013-10-11T02:27:27Z")
Tip for watching new Who: Watch 1 per day. It was created with the intention that there should be a cliffhanger between episodes. If you watch them all at once, you’re gonna lose some of the impact. That’s what I intend to do. How about you? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-doctor-who-episodes-found/670741.md?page=3)