# Missing Malaysian Plane **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152 "2014-04-02T08:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/81 "2014-04-04T05:40:17Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > Never stated that Eve was one of the twin. There were a handful of clone baby and Eve was one of them. Sorry Ignore the above answer and take the below one instead: They’ll be dedicated a separate soul like every other individual from God the almighty! ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/82 "2014-04-04T05:47:36Z")
The OP and this thread are a belated April Fool’s Day joke right? 'Cos it’s actually pretty damned funny. Not quite as belly-grabbing as **Quicksilver’s** ‘adventures’ with the sticker and his evil wife, but amusing in it’s own creepy way. Bravo OP! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/83 "2014-04-04T05:59:34Z")
> [@kambuckta](#): > > The OP and this thread are a belated April Fool’s Day joke right? 'Cos it’s actually pretty damned funny. Not quite as belly-grabbing as **Quicksilver’s** ‘adventures’ with the sticker and his evil wife, but amusing in it’s own creepy way. > > Bravo OP! > > 😃 I got a question from you mate: outta joking, what if one of those person who has super natural powers could tell something both about your past and future so that you’ll be impressed not knowing what to do or say even a single word with wide-open mouth! Then, tell me, would you change and reconsider all your principles and things which you have learned and in them you’ve put all your trust? would you admit that you were wrong all these years of your precious life not believing these things? If yes, then see how fragile one’s principals and beliefs could be. As a parting shot: I’m not taking about any so-called psychics or clairvoyants, I mean the real ones whose number is limited. ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/84 "2014-04-04T06:04:04Z")
By the way, Thank you all for your comments and answers, I enjoyed em and learned. It was such a trip! Catch you around ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 10:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/85 "2014-04-04T10:46:32Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > Never stated that Eve was one of the twin. There were a handful of clone baby and Eve was one of them. All of which were entirely imaginary. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 10:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/86 "2014-04-04T10:47:38Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > All of which were entirely imaginary. Probably why they had no soul. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/87 "2014-04-04T11:31:43Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > Probably why they had no soul. That’s offensive and I’m offended. Imaginary life begins at imaginary conception. :mad::mad: ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/88 "2014-04-04T11:57:49Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > You western people are not much into metaphysics and super natural powers, and claim that you don’t believe them , right? But ironically hundreds of you burn their money travelling to the eastern countries to visit, study, find out and take snapshopts these things from close contact! [Please please please take no offense at all, and don’t take me wrong OK? we are just talking to make things clear. That’s it. So be good to the end] Why would this offend us? We pretty much point and laugh at them too. Stupidity is without borders. > [@Reza](#): > > About the human cloning and the most successful or longer-survived one The Eve do a little search on web you’ll find plenty info about it in no time. [It’s a hoax.](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1575178) Where do you get your facts? > [@Reza](#): > > I got a question from you mate: > > outta joking, what if one of those person who has super natural powers could tell something both about your past and future so that you’ll be impressed not knowing what to do or say even a single word with wide-open mouth! Then, tell me, would you change and reconsider all your principles and things which you have learned and in them you’ve put all your trust? would you admit that you were wrong all these years of your precious life not believing these things? If yes, then see how fragile one’s principals and beliefs could be. > > As a parting shot: I’m not taking about any so-called psychics or clairvoyants, I mean the real ones whose number is limited. Thing is, this is all a WHAT IF proposition. It’s wishful thinking. Fantasy. WHAT IF I told you I could fly like superman? I bet you’d be properly impressed, right? But you’d also expect me to prove to you that I could actually do the thing I claimed. And you’d want to make sure I’m doing it without tricks or props. I would expect no less of anyone making such a fantastic claim. > [@Reza](#): > > By the way, Thank you all for your comments and answers, I enjoyed em and learned. It was such a trip! > > Catch you around. So having made the fantastic claim for a ‘limited number of real psychics’ existing, suddenly you’ve got to be somewhere? Right before providing even a single shred of evidence? How unexpected. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/89 "2014-04-04T12:31:24Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > Never stated that Eve was one of the twin. There were a handful of clone baby and Eve was one of them. So you first said that “souls have to exist - because clones die because they don’t have one”. Then you’re now talking about Eve, and clone that you believe is alive. Which is it - do clones have souls or not? Or mayyyyyybe there isn’t actually any proof at all for souls, since the whole clone thing is a giant hoax. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/90 "2014-04-04T12:52:24Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > outta joking, what if one of those person who has super natural powers could tell something both about your past and future so that you’ll be impressed not knowing what to do or say […]would you admit that you were wrong all these years of your precious life not believing these things? If yes, then see how fragile one’s principals and beliefs could be. Nope. If I am presented with uncontrovertible **objective evidence** of something that impacts the material physical world (which being able to know the fate of the airplane or hidden info about me is: pointing to something that happened in the physical material world), I’d have to be a fool to not change my position about it. Fragility of beliefs has got nothing to do with that. And _ **the evidence itself has to be belief-independent** _; it can’t be that if I have no faith or am thinking negative thoughts then the psychic power does not work, because then it’s no more useful for the task at hand than metaphysical/religious speculation. ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/91 "2014-04-04T14:04:48Z")
> [@Melchior](#): > > Sometimes it goes without saying that people in South Africa…I mean Iraq…I mean people can’t find the plane because it’s missing and they don’t have maps in this country. I just now noticed this…comeback?..and I genuinely have no idea what it’s supposed to mean. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/92 "2014-04-04T14:10:01Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I just now noticed this…comeback?..and I genuinely have no idea what it’s supposed to mean. [See this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=17254712&postcount=69) ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/93 "2014-04-04T15:17:51Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > As a parting shot: I’m not taking about any so-called psychics or clairvoyants, I mean the real ones whose number is limited. Zero is a number, and it’s fairly limited, so technically you’re correct. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/94 "2014-04-04T15:25:35Z")
Weirdest … thread … EVER! ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/95 "2014-04-04T17:13:22Z")
Oh, no. No no no no. I have to challenge that. I’ll toss out the “Ask the conspiracy theorist” thread by kozmik from a year or so back as a preliminary challenger. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/96 "2014-04-04T17:30:30Z")
[Ask the conspiracy theorist](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=670134), for the curious. And here’s one of my favorites: [Was Europe (1500-1789) a black civilisation?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=544874) ---
**Author:** ![Grey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/b782af/32.png) [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/97 "2014-04-04T17:45:29Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I just now noticed this…comeback?..and I genuinely have no idea what it’s supposed to mean. > **[Caitlin Upton](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlin_Upton)** > > Caitlin "Caite" Upton (born Lauren Caitlin Upton; March 27, 1989, in Lexington, South Carolina) is an American actress, model, real estate agent, and beauty pageant titleholder who was crowned Miss South Carolina Teen USA 2007 and represented South Carolina at Miss Teen USA 2007 where she placed third runner-up. > Upton became Miss South Carolina Teen USA for 2007 in the November 2006 state pageant. She went on to place as third runner-up in the Miss Teen USA 2007 pageant. Upton gained internation... Mildly amusing back then, now just boring. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/98 "2014-04-04T18:03:12Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [Ask the conspiracy theorist](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=670134), for the curious. And here’s one of my favorites: [Was Europe (1500-1789) a black civilisation?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=544874) My God, I remember that thread. He was absolutely unshakeable in his [del]faith[/del] beliefs. As I imagine **Reza** is. It’s futile to attempt to counteract illogical beliefs with logic. Futile. I listened to an NPR interview yesterday with an author of a book on people who believe in conspiracy and supernatural theories. He said that the one unifying trait these people shared was a personal sense of powerlessness and that believing such things allowed them to feel that they had “personal power” that most people didn’t - this allowed them to believe that they had a leg up, as it were, on the great unwashed who didn’t have access to specialized knowledge. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/99 "2014-04-04T18:25:04Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > I listened to an NPR interview yesterday with an author of a book on people who believe in conspiracy and supernatural theories. He said that the one unifying trait these people shared was a personal sense of powerlessness and that believing such things allowed them to feel that they had “personal power” that most people didn’t - this allowed them to believe that they had a leg up, as it were, on the great unwashed who didn’t have access to specialized knowledge. Was it Michael Shermer? I know he has a new book out, and I read his _Why People Believe Weird Things_ years ago. I think that’s a pretty good look at the topic. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/100 "2014-04-04T18:34:47Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > Was it Michael Shermer? I know he has a new book out, and I read his _Why People Believe Weird Things_ years ago. I think that’s a pretty good look at the topic. Just found the program - no, not Michael Shermer. [Cass Sunstein](http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2014/04/02/sunstein-conspiracy-theories). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152.md?page=6)