# Missing Malaysian Plane **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [April 2, 2014, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152 "2014-04-02T08:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/101 "2014-04-04T18:36:08Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > [Ask the conspiracy theorist](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=670134), for the curious. And here’s one of my favorites: [Was Europe (1500-1789) a black civilisation?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=544874) Ah, good times. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2014, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/102 "2014-04-04T23:51:38Z")
Okay, so maybe this is not _the_ weirdest thread ever. But it’s in the top five. Top 10 for sure. I’m sure the OP would agree since I’m saying this on the Internet, because it would appear he believes anything he reads on the Internet. Cloned humans indeed! ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/103 "2014-04-05T04:33:55Z")
> [@chiroptera](#): > > My God, I remember that thread. He was absolutely unshakeable in his [del]faith[/del] beliefs. > > As I imagine **Reza** is. It’s futile to attempt to counteract illogical beliefs with logic. Futile. > > I listened to an NPR interview yesterday with an author of a book on people who believe in conspiracy and supernatural theories. He said that the one unifying trait these people shared was a personal sense of powerlessness and that believing such things allowed them to feel that they had “personal power” that most people didn’t - this allowed them to believe that they had a leg up, as it were, on the great unwashed who didn’t have access to specialized knowledge. That’s not the case. You guys are making it complicated. I simply mentioned there some people who can predict things which we can’t see with earthy eyes and evidence and why not asking them to help. ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/104 "2014-04-05T04:37:13Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Okay, so maybe this is not _the_ weirdest thread ever. But it’s in the top five. Top 10 for sure. > > I’m sure the OP would agree since I’m saying this on the Internet, because it would appear he believes anything he reads on the Internet. Cloned humans indeed! I never meant that i’m gonna believe the whole stuff on web. And tell me, you mean the entire information about human cloning and “Eve” -one of the cloned human - is invalid? ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/105 "2014-04-05T04:42:00Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Zero is a number, and it’s fairly limited, so technically you’re correct. Unbelievers might turn into believers, but then it’ll be too late! ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/106 "2014-04-05T04:42:03Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > That’s not the case. > You guys are making it complicated. I simply mentioned there some people who can predict things which we can’t see with earthy eyes and evidence and why not asking them to help. Because their track record is abysmal. They are absurd failures. Psychics can’t find missing persons. They can’t find buried treasure. They can’t find missing objects. They can’t find water. They can’t meet the James Randi challenge. Every so often, some police department will become so desperate, they do listen to such people. The result is uniformly pointless, and often worse than pointless, as Sheriffs are dispatched to dig up empty fields or knock on the doors of completely uninvolved persons. Why not ask them to help? Why not throw darts at a map: the results will be the same. ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/107 "2014-04-05T04:45:19Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > Because their track record is abysmal. They are absurd failures. Psychics can’t find missing persons. They can’t find buried treasure. They can’t find missing objects. They can’t find water. They can’t meet the James Randi challenge. > > Every so often, some police department will become so desperate, they do listen to such people. The result is uniformly pointless, and often worse than pointless, as Sheriffs are dispatched to dig up empty fields or knock on the doors of completely uninvolved persons. > > Why not ask them to help? Why not throw darts at a map: the results will be the same. OK, then this is the answer to my question in the first place!!! I just asked! Because this is the first time I’m hearing the police has already tried them but not getting any tangible result. ---
**Author:** ![kambuckta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/53a042/32.png) [@kambuckta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kambuckta)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/108 "2014-04-05T06:00:20Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > OK, then this is the answer to my question in the first place!!! I just asked! Because this is the first time I’m hearing the police has already tried them but not getting any tangible result. You didn’t ask a question ‘in the first place’. You made an assertion that some psychics, clairvoyants or whatever name is trendy nowadays have gifts that allow them to see specific events in the past, and to predict specific events in the future. So, pony up with some evidence **Reza**. Got anything apart from platitudes? ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/109 "2014-04-05T06:17:37Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > OK, then this is the answer to my question in the first place!!! I just asked! Because this is the first time I’m hearing the police has already tried them but not getting any tangible result. I apologize. I thought you were familiar with the debate, which is a long-standing one here on SDMB. I didn’t realize you were coming in without the baggage of much participation on the topic. I sort of laid in as if you were an old hand in the debate. [This Wikipedia page may be of some interest.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_detective) ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/110 "2014-04-05T12:36:46Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > That’s not the case. > You guys are making it complicated. I simply mentioned there some people who can predict things which we can’t see with earthy eyes and evidence and why not asking them to help. And we’re all simply mentioning that that’s complete horseshit. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/111 "2014-04-05T12:52:19Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > I never meant that i’m gonna believe the whole stuff on web. > > And tell me, you mean the entire information about human cloning and “Eve” -one of the cloned human - is invalid? There is NO EVIDENCE for Eve’s existence, let alone being a clone. It’s a hoax. Once again, here’s a link to [the discussion on NPR](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1575178). You don’t even have to read, just listen to the podcast. > [@Reza](#): > > Unbelievers might turn into believers, but then it’ll be too late! Too late for what?.. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/112 "2014-04-05T13:02:57Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > Frankly, I didn’t have any clue that there were plenty of threads about this topic, otherwise I’d have not rolled a new one. But shouldn’t you have known, ahead of time, that there would be other threads? ---
**Author:** ![Gray\_Ghost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/c0e974/32.png) [@Gray\_Ghost](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gray_Ghost)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/113 "2014-04-05T14:25:41Z")
May be a false alarm, [but a Chinese ship searching for the black box claims to have heard a ‘ping’.](http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/05/us-malaysia-airlines-idUSBREA3308J20140405) Same area where a search plane spotted some “white floating objects:” 25 South, 101 East. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/114 "2014-04-05T14:26:42Z")
That’s odd. Psychics were no help and science and technology were useful. **Reza** , the answer to your question is that there are no real psychics- and no real human clones either. That Eve story was an obvious fraud. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2014, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/115 "2014-04-05T21:59:00Z")
> [@buddha\_david](#): > > What other theories exist, besides terrorism? And if it was genuine terrorism, what jihad bears a grudge against the Southern Ocean? Because that was clearly the flight path, all along. Catastrophic failure of some sort? The point is, we don’t know. There could be more than one cause - for example; relatively minor system failure combined with human error. ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2014, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/116 "2014-04-25T09:31:11Z")
Thanks a lot for your comments and answers from the last post of mine. Soon I’ll be back to comment and continue talking on each single post right after my last comment/post. I’m enjoying being with you here discussing things. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/117 "2014-04-29T03:28:13Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > That Eve story was an obvious fraud. Any references to clue me in more? ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/118 "2014-04-29T03:30:36Z")
> [@panache45](#): > > But shouldn’t you have known, ahead of time, that there would be other threads? Should I? Does anybody really do search before posting anything? Do you do it on every single posting? That’ll take too much! Don’t freak people coming and asking questions! lol ---
**Author:** ![Reza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Reza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reza)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/119 "2014-04-29T03:32:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > There is NO EVIDENCE for Eve’s existence, let alone being a clone. It’s a hoax. Once again, here’s a link to [the discussion on NPR](http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1575178). You don’t even have to read, just listen to the podcast. > > Too late for what?.. 1- I’ll take a look at the link and come back continuing. 2- Too late to regret. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2014, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152/120 "2014-04-29T03:36:23Z")
> [@Reza](#): > > Any references to clue me in more? Any article on the subject, including [the Wikipedia entry](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonaid#Alleged_clone_baby_Eve), should make it obvious this was a hoax. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-malaysian-plane/685152.md?page=7)