# Missing Soccer Team Found Alive in Cave **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 2, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173 "2018-07-02T17:03:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/321 "2018-07-10T00:28:46Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > In the tropics, rain can come up anytime with little warning, and can be very local. And the rain that caused the flooding would not have necessarily been anywhere near the cave entrance itself. It could have rained heavily elsewhere in the watershed without raining in the immediate vicinity of the cave, and that could have produced the flooding. …I was struck by a live-news-report from the scene that talked about how the rains had returned and the water levels were rising but the reporter was bone-dry and it looked like a beautiful sunny day, so this helps reconcile things inside my brain. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/322 "2018-07-10T00:44:22Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > He did keep them safe. > > He wasn’t just a soccer coach. He’s been described as a mentor to the kids. They’re not in Chicago where they can go to a COSI. This appears to have been something of a field trip which the parents approved of. Indeed. From the information I know so far, I see absolutely no fault on the part of the coach. If anything, the opposite. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/323 "2018-07-10T01:45:55Z")
Elon Musk has arrived with his mini sub/capsule thingy. He intends to leave it in Thailand in case they can use it in future. Tuesday the rescuers shaved two hours off the time it took to extract 4boys the first day. They are hoping to do the same today. I believe they are just getting underway. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/324 "2018-07-10T02:40:50Z")
Thai cave rescue: ‘No kid has cave dived like this before’ [Thai cave rescue: 'No kid has cave dived like this before' - BBC News](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44775149) ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/325 "2018-07-10T03:43:28Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …I was struck by a live-news-report from the scene that talked about how the rains had returned and the water levels were rising but the reporter was bone-dry and it looked like a beautiful sunny day, so this helps reconcile things inside my brain. 🙂 It’s not like frontal systems in the temperate zone, where a front will come in and you’ll have steady rain for a few days straight. Instead they are convective storms, like a summer thunderstorm. Even at the height of the rainy season it may rain for just a few hours a day. The morning may be sunny, then there is a torrential downpour in the afternoon. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/326 "2018-07-10T03:52:48Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > Don’t forget that when this first started, one of the possibilities to save the boys was drilling a hole down to the cave from another point on the surface. Elon Musk’s current obsession is with boring. He was probably contacted right away as being the go-to guy for an innovative and cost-free solution to getting that hole dug (assuming cost-free as his well-off company could afford to do the work as opposed to a local boring company.) > > Anyway, once the boring plans were scrapped, Musk probably continued to come up with other possible solutions and ways his companies could help. That’d be the typical reaction of any inventor and philanthropist. > > PS I think The Boring Company is the best current company name and I love it. There’s a town in Oregon called Boring. > **[Boring, Oregon](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boring,_Oregon)** > > Boring is an unincorporated community in Clackamas County, Oregon, United States. It is located along Oregon Route 212 in the foothills of the Cascade mountain range, approximately twelve miles (19 km) southeast of downtown Portland, and fourteen miles (23 km) northeast of Oregon City. A bedroom community,\[a\] Boring is named after William Harrison Boring, a Union soldier and pioneer whose family built a farm in the area in 1856, before Oregon had received statehood. > The community was official... I wonder if they’re going to take the last people out 3 and 2 at a time, so nobody has to be in there alone? ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/327 "2018-07-10T03:57:11Z")
I don’t think anyone will be alone either way, as the SEALs and the Navy doctors are staying in the cave with them. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/328 "2018-07-10T03:58:13Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It appears the government is trying to protect the families from the intrusion of the press. > > No one knows for sure which children have been reschedule. > > Privacy saves the families from endless demands for interviews. They would be taxing, especially having to speculate about the people still waiting for rescue. Why did your child come out earlier? Does he miss his friends? Is he worried about them? The questions are endless. > > I expect that eventually there will be a press conference with the reunited team. > > I hope they can keep the media glare off any specific child or his family. It’ll make a big difference in their mental health and adjustment to regular life. > > The coach will be in for a lot of scrutiny. Obviously because he was in charge of their care and safety. > > Imho normalcy is key to recovery. The children’s textbooks and assignments should be brought to the hospital. Their teachers should visit for short tutoring sessions. Families should bring favorite home cooked meals. > > Immerse the child back into his normal routine ASAP. > > Counseling will be needed and full recovery will take time. > > I’d bet some of these boys join the navy and aspire to be Seals. They’ve spent a lot of time with them in the past few days. Does Thailand, or at least this region, have year-round school? Theirs is in session, and I saw something on TV earlier today where one of their teachers told the class that when the boys came back to school, they should not ask them about this experience because they may not want to talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/329 "2018-07-10T04:06:03Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Does Thailand, or at least this region, have year-round school? Theirs is in session, and I saw something on TV earlier today where one of their teachers told the class that when the boys came back to school, they should not ask them about this experience because they may not want to talk about it. School in Thailand begins in May and continues until mid-semester in October. The kids get a three week break, then school continues until February of the next year. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/330 "2018-07-10T04:07:07Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > Thai cave rescue: ‘No kid has cave dived like this before’ [Thai cave rescue: 'No kid has cave dived like this before' - BBC News](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44775149) I don’t want to belittle what’s involved for the kids but most of the work was done for them. None of it involved much water depth so there were no pressure issues. The cave was already mapped out and professional divers set up pumps, guide ropes, lights, and spare tanks. The plan had contingencies for any part that failed. All this was planned and initiated in days. Yes this is 20/20 hindsight commentary but given the assets available I’m not surprised at how this is playing out. What surprises me is the death of a professional diver. There has to be more to the story than what we’ve heard. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/331 "2018-07-10T05:12:50Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > There’s a town in Oregon called Boring. > > [Boring, Oregon - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boring,_Oregon) > > I wonder if they’re going to take the last people out 3 and 2 at a time, so nobody has to be in there alone? Most likely, the remaining boys will all be taken out first in two batches, but then, behind them, the military personnel and doctors who’ve been keeping them company will then make their way out, the last ones, kind of like how rescue personnel were the last ones to ascend the Chilean mine after the last miners had first ascended. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/332 "2018-07-10T06:19:12Z")
[The last rescues have begun](https://apnews.com/53079f4253d94034ab683a347d3acb5c/3rd-mission-underway-at-Thai-cave,-aims-to-rescue-all-left)! > [@](#): > > Chiang Rai Gov.Narongsak Osatanakorn said Tuesday’s rescue operation began just after 10 a.m. and involves 19 divers. A medic and three Thai Navy SEALs who have stayed with the boys on a small, dry shelf deep in the flooded cave will also come out, he said. > > “We expect that if there is no unusual condition … the four boys, one coach, the doctor, and three SEALs who have been with the boys since the first day will come out today,” he told a news conference to loud cheering. > > Nargonsak said this phase may take longer than the previous two rescue missions, which took up to 11 hours. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/333 "2018-07-10T07:37:27Z")
There’s always a degree of danger with this rescue. This will drag on for another day or two after the rest of the team is rescued. They haven’t said how many people are in the cave helping the coach and children. I assume they’ll try to come out ASAP. Then divers have to retrieve the equipment left behind. That may take a day or two. But, first things first, five more people with no diving experience have to be rescued. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 8:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/334 "2018-07-10T08:17:38Z")
Final rescue is beginning. I pray all goes well. > **[All 12 boys and coach successfully rescued from Thai cave – as it happened](https://www.theguardian.com/news/live/2018/jul/10/thai-cave-rescue-third-mission-planned-to-bring-out-remaining-boys-and-coach-live-updates)** > > Last three Thai navy divers and medic have also left cave, ending perilous operation in northern Thailand > [@](#): > > “You have seen the rain so you might be wondering – preparation for the third operation has been under way since early morning,” said , the head of the joint command centre coordinating the operation. > > “If everything goes right, we will see four kids and a doctor and three Seals that have stayed with the kids will all come out,” he said. “Four plus one coach, so it’s five.” ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/335 "2018-07-10T08:28:00Z")
I listened to a podcast interview with Richie Kohler. He explained the full face masks allow for communication with the other divers. They can reassure and give instructions to the child throughout the rescue. That must help a lot in preventing panic. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/radio.foxnews.com/2018/07/09/shillue-07-09-18-third-hour/amp/](https://www.google.com/amp/s/radio.foxnews.com/2018/07/09/shillue-07-09-18-third-hour/amp/) ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 8:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/336 "2018-07-10T08:45:26Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > It’s not like frontal systems in the temperate zone, where a front will come in and you’ll have steady rain for a few days straight. Instead they are convective storms, like a summer thunderstorm. Even at the height of the rainy season it may rain for just a few hours a day. The morning may be sunny, then there is a torrential downpour in the afternoon. I’ve seen torrential rain pouring down on one side of a street while standing in sunlight on the other, it can get weird in the tropics. Talking about the weather, some people have said that they should have checked the weather before going in, but two things, one it’s quite possible for rain to fall hard on one side of the mountain while the entrance remained clear and the group none the wiser, then the water would find its way into the caves, secondly a few days a sudden storm sank a few boats on the Andaman Sea side of Thailand, over 40 people died IIRC there was no warning that such a storm would hit. Some times things just go wrong and pointing fingers is not just, well, pointless, but also unjust. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 9:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/337 "2018-07-10T09:55:35Z")
10 down, 3 to go. Great job by the Thais and the others who have helped in this courageous rescue. ---
**Author:** ![Quartz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quartz/32/267_2.png) [@Quartz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quartz)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/338 "2018-07-10T10:14:16Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Then divers have to retrieve the equipment left behind. That may take a day or two. They may leave the equipment there until the next dry season when it’s safe to recover it. ---
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/339 "2018-07-10T10:34:07Z")
Eleven in total now free! Woot! ---
**Author:** ![Ale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f19dbf/32.png) [@Ale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ale)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2018, 10:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173/340 "2018-07-10T10:58:13Z")
Last two on the way out, then wait for all the rescuers to get out safely and boy it’s going to be party time over there. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173.md?page=16) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missing-soccer-team-found-alive-in-cave/817173.md?page=18)