# Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 6, 2015, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176 "2015-08-06T17:36:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/21 "2015-08-10T14:05:53Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > We went to see Rogue Nation, and then immediately watched the first one afterwards and, hooooooly crap: > > …is that movie dated! > > …is the CGI just terrible! > > …is the plot completely nonsensical. I agree that the young’ns will fall asleep and be confused because the movie makes no goddamn sense. I love these kinds of movies, and I pay attention to them, but I have no idea the logic of some of the reveals. It was so damn slow it was hard to pay attention to The First MI is almost 20 years old. Is it fair to call a movie a generation old dated? It almost has to be. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/22 "2015-08-10T14:43:21Z")
> [@terentii](#): > > I would love to show the original _ **Mission: Impossible** _ to some of the young’uns who spend their summers watching such shlock and see what their reaction would be. Five’ll get you ten they’d fall asleep after the first five minutes. > > You not only had to pay attention to what was going on, you had to think in order for it to make any sense. I fear such things are beyond the abilities of today’s audiences. > [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > We went to see Rogue Nation, and then immediately watched the first one afterwards and, hooooooly crap: > > …is that movie dated! > > …is the CGI just terrible! > > …is the plot completely nonsensical. I agree that the young’ns will fall asleep and be confused because the movie makes no goddamn sense. I love these kinds of movies, and I pay attention to them, but I have no idea the logic of some of the reveals. It was so damn slow it was hard to pay attention to > [@Quimby](#): > > The First MI is almost 20 years old. Is it fair to call a movie a generation old dated? It almost has to be. Hooooooly crap I think Terentii was talking about the original TV show. And it was mentioned above that Cruise said he could hold his breath for six minutes. Granted he has little cranial material to begin with, but can a fifty year old man really hold his breath for 6 minutes? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/23 "2015-08-10T14:45:05Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > The First MI is almost 20 years old. Is it fair to call a movie a generation old dated? It almost has to be. I assumed\*\* terentii \*\*meant the TV show, which is now about 50 years old, but maybe not. Maybe he’s one of those young’ns that thinks 20 years ago was the deep past. 🙂 Because the TV show has almost nothing in common with the movie franchise. It definitely isn’t an action fest, and you DO have to pay attention. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/24 "2015-08-10T15:41:02Z")
Hoooooooly crap I’m dumb :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/25 "2015-08-10T18:16:00Z")
I assumed he meant the first movie since it was pretty infamous for having a complicated plot. ---
**Author:** ![Dante](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dante/32/9673_2.png) [@Dante](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dante)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/26 "2015-08-10T18:42:55Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > However, I leaned over to my wife during the movie and said, “10 bucks says after the car chase, he gets on a bike and chases her/them on the bike.” Shh. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/27 "2015-08-10T19:12:19Z")
> [@Dante](#): > > Shh. I yelled it, too. Through a megaphone. ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2015, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/28 "2015-08-10T20:21:59Z")
This is what annoys me about Mission Impossible series, the first one barely used any weapons at all and was intelligent in how they got around that and still made the film exciting. It seems that with each subsequent M:I film, they’ve had to ratchet up the action to compensate for lack of good plot or writing. Plus Tom Cruise condones Human rights abuses within his religion. It’s very hard for me to separate that from his film star persona, which has persuaded alot of people that he’s a good guy, he is not, which impacts on this film. > [@](#): > > **Quimby** > I assumed he meant the first movie since it was pretty infamous for having a complicated plot. By complicated I assume you mean ‘Intelligent’ They used one gun in Mission Impossible 1 and that was to stage a murder, and it was just as exciting as this film tries to be. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2015, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/29 "2015-08-12T15:38:19Z")
I saw it last night and enjoyed it. Ilsa was great, I’m sure she’ll only be in this movie like the other women who have come and gone, but I really liked her and hope to see the actress in other roles. I remember liking Ghost Protocol more, but I also don’t remember anything about the plot, other than the IMF being under threat of being shut down or there being a mole, but I think that’s happened in all of the movies. And Tom Cruise climbed on the outside of the skyscraper in the UAE. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/30 "2015-08-14T14:55:53Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > By complicated I assume you mean ‘Intelligent’ They used one gun in Mission Impossible 1 and that was to stage a murder, and it was just as exciting as this film tries to be. I enjoyed it thoroughly too, but the movies seems to polarize opinions. Very rarely does one hear “It was OK” - one either truly enjoyed it or loathed it. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/31 "2015-08-14T19:24:08Z")
For what it’s worth “Complicated” doesn’t mean “bad” necessarily. I like the first MI but the plot is tough to follow. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/32 "2015-08-14T19:59:10Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > I remember liking Ghost Protocol more, but I also don’t remember anything about the plot, other than the IMF being under threat of being shut down or there being a mole, but I think that’s happened in all of the movies. And Tom Cruise climbed on the outside of the skyscraper in the UAE. It was about a missile being launched to destroy a city. It bounced off a building, which is referenced in this movie. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2015, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/33 "2015-08-14T23:25:34Z")
> [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > They used one gun in Mission Impossible 1 and that was to stage a murder I think you’re forgetting one. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/34 "2015-08-15T00:39:21Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I think you’re forgetting one. Remind us, I don’t remember what you are referring to. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2015, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/35 "2015-08-15T00:51:31Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Remind us, I don’t remember what you are referring to. I figured **Ryan\_Liam** was referring to the gun used to bloodily stage Jon Voight’s shooting on the bridge in the first half-hour – in which case he’s forgetting the gun that got used to shoot Emmanuelle Béart on the train in the last half-hour. ---
**Author:** ![Hampshire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hampshire/32/4887_2.png) [@Hampshire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hampshire)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/36 "2015-08-16T13:23:42Z")
Was I the only one wondering where all those bullets were going when Lane was unloading at Ethan from inside the bullet proof glass box? He was firing into it from about 5 inches away. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/37 "2015-08-16T18:08:23Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Was I the only one wondering where all those bullets were going when Lane was unloading at Ethan from inside the bullet proof glass box? He was firing into it from about 5 inches away. No. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/38 "2015-08-16T18:26:46Z")
> [@Hampshire](#): > > Was I the only one wondering where all those bullets were going when Lane was unloading at Ethan from inside the bullet proof glass box? He was firing into it from about 5 inches away. Frangible bullets? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/39 "2015-08-16T18:56:23Z")
> [@erysichthon](#): > > Frangible bullets? 😃 He’d be getting blowback, and wadding, if not the actual slug. And there isn’t any bulletproof glass anywhere that will take point blank shots and not even leave a mark. ---
**Author:** ![beowulff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beowulff/32/542_2.png) [@beowulff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/beowulff)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176/40 "2015-08-16T21:16:50Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > He’d be getting blowback, and wadding, if not the actual slug. And there isn’t any bulletproof glass anywhere that will take point blank shots and not even leave a mark. Except for transparent Aluminum. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mission-impossible-rogue-nation/727176.md?page=3)