# Mississippi voters approve new state flag **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 6, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870 "2020-11-06T00:38:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/21 "2020-11-06T05:51:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Really? Because the Followers of the Prophet and the Jewish faith have the same G-d That is an assertion made by you, not an affirmation of the beliefs and intent of the designers of that flag. If you think that they are that liberal-minded, I have a bridge that you might wish to buy. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/22 "2020-11-06T06:00:52Z")
No, that is a fact. Not a “assertion”. And see , this is why I say atheists follow a “religion” of their own, with their own proselytizing of lies. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/23 "2020-11-06T06:31:16Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > No, that is a fact. Not a “assertion”. > > And see , this is why I say atheists follow a “religion” of their own, with their own proselytizing of lies Riiiiiiiight–because **Christians** all believe that Allah is the god of the bible… > **[Do Christians and Muslims Worship the Same God?](https://decisionmagazine.com/do-christians-and-muslims-worship-same-god/)** > > Believers need to be clear about the fundamental difference. [https://www.rzim.org/read/rzim-global/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god](https://www.rzim.org/read/rzim-global/do-muslims-and-christians-worship-the-same-god) [https://www.ciu.edu/content/allah-islam-same-yahweh-christianity](https://www.ciu.edu/content/allah-islam-same-yahweh-christianity) Again, do you actually think that the likely mouthbreathers who likely knuckle-painted that flag in Mississippi were thinking on anything at all other than the Christian god? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/24 "2020-11-06T06:52:56Z")
I’ve been assuming that the use of “In God We Trust” was a necessary concession to the voters of a conservative state to get the flag changed. If so, I think, on balance, it’s a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/25 "2020-11-06T07:29:01Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Really? Because the Followers of the Prophet and the Jewish faith have the same G-d. Yes, yes _they_ do . . . now about this son of G-d… ---
**Author:** ![yarblek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yarblek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yarblek)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 7:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/26 "2020-11-06T07:53:15Z")
I’m sure if the flag they voted on somehow accidently ended up being “In Allah we trust” all the Christians would just be totally fine with that, since as you say, Allah = God. 🤣🤣🤣 ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 12:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/27 "2020-11-06T12:06:37Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > That slogan will be virtually illegible unless you’re right up next and looking for it. I know, I know, just _knowing_ it’s there … and even just from the neutral point of view of vexillology it’s not a Best Practice. But if that was what was needed to get the law passed, so be it. They may yet change it again. GA changed theirs twice in 3 years. There was the horrible 2001 design, the notorious flag with a picture of every previous flag on it _facepalm_. I think they deliberately made it ugly so that they could come back and say “hey, what about this lesser-known confederate flag that just looks like 3 stripes? It’s not controversial and it looks nice.” And that’s where we are now. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/28 "2020-11-06T13:25:29Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > As to the later objection: Meh. I mean, look at the picture of the flag. Consider how you’d see the flag when flying from a pole in a yard or marching past you in a parade. That slogan will be virtually illegible unless you’re right up next and looking for it. Then there should be no objection to adding the words “Roll Tide!” to the Mississippi flag somewhere, in equally large letters to “In God We Trust”. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/29 "2020-11-06T14:04:43Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > who likely knuckle-painted that flag in Mississippi Y’know, that flag looks competently styled and drawn to me, save for the textual intrusion. > [@MEBuckner](#): > > Then there should be no objection to adding the words “Roll Tide!” to the Mississippi flag somewhere, in equally large letters to “In God We Trust”. Gather the signatures! ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/30 "2020-11-06T14:29:48Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > Y’know, that flag looks competently styled and drawn to me, save for the textual intrusion. That line was to imply that the “in god we trust” designers were knuckle-walkers, not an indication of design quality. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/31 "2020-11-06T14:39:05Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > GA changed theirs twice in 3 years. There was the horrible 2001 design, the notorious flag with a picture of every previous flag on it _facepalm_ . I think they deliberately made it ugly so that they could come back and say “hey, what about this lesser-known confederate flag that just looks like 3 stripes? It’s not controversial and it looks nice.” And that’s where we are now. The odd thing to me is Georgia could have just reverted to their pre-1950s flag (vertical blue band all the way across on the hoist, red-white-red bars on the fly) and it would have been slightly better IMO. And of course the confederate-nostalgist Butthurt Bois in MS are now trying to gather signatures to force a multiple-choice vote on re-reverting. What else is new. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/32 "2020-11-06T15:13:05Z")
I preferred the Stennis flag. But, the new flag is a huge improvement over the old one. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/33 "2020-11-06T15:23:59Z")
Not picking on you specifically, but you were the first to bring this up: > [@What\_Exit](#): > > I missed something then, are you bitching about the _In God we Trust_? Is that Christian only? > I’m agnostic and I pretty much ignore that empty phrase, last I checked its on most of our money too. Here’s the rest of the story on IGWT: > **[In God We Trust](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust)** > > "In God We Trust" (also rendered as "In God we trust") is the official motto of the United States as well as the motto of the U.S. state of Florida, and Nicaragua (Spanish: En Dios confiamos). It was adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1956, replacing E pluribus unum ("Out of many, one"), which had been the de facto motto since the initial design of the Great Seal of the United States. > While the earliest mentions of the phrase can be found in the mid-19th century, the origins of this phrase as a ... In a nutshell, a Christian fanatic manager of the Mint got it added to the coinage the last time the USA had a big Christian revivalist movement (= moral panic) in the mid 1800s. The G he meant was 100% the Christian one and no other. Congress was happy to endorse this move. The national motto was changed to IGWT and it was added to the paper currency post WWII. For equally bigoted and craven reasons. The new flag is clearly an improvement. But it certainly represents backsliding in one area while moving forward in another. ---
**Author:** ![Hari\_Seldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hari_seldon/32/5173_2.png) [@Hari\_Seldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hari_Seldon)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/34 "2020-11-06T15:24:44Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > That is an assertion made by you, not an affirmation of the beliefs and intent of the designers of that flag. If you think that they are that liberal-minded, I have a bridge that you might wish to buy. No, it is simply the truth. Remember that Christianity started out as a sect of Judaism and took over the god, just adding two more deities to the mix. Islam took over the same god. These are simply truths. Whether the designers of the flag realized this at all is a different question and one that cannot be determined in this thread. And is a hijack in any case. The new flag is a vast improvement on the old one. Moderating: If you wish to start a new thread on whether or not Christians generally realize this fact, feel free to do so. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/35 "2020-11-06T15:28:58Z")
I agree with that. I guess I’m pretty laid back about the “In God We Trust”. It seems minor compared to Confederate symbols. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/36 "2020-11-06T15:29:20Z")
For those, like me, who are bothered by the “IGWT” on paper currency, two minutes with a sharpie and you can do away with the slogan. I do this and I’ve never had anyone turn away my doctored bills. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/37 "2020-11-06T17:16:00Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > > [@puzzlegal](#): > > > > You know that “Allah” is just Arabic for “God”, right? > > Do you _really_ think that the people that made that flag believe that? I really think it doesn’t make any difference at all what they believe. It is what it is. And no English-speaking Jew or Muslim is going to be offended by it. Atheists, sure. It’s offensive to Atheists. And a little “off” to Buddhists, Hindus, and Shintos. > [@Leaper](#): > > I’ve been assuming that the use of “In God We Trust” was a necessary concession to the voters of a conservative state to get the flag changed. If so, I think, on balance, it’s a good thing. This. It’s SO much better than the confederate flag. It’s not my firstest bestest choice for what they might have done, but I’m happy. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/38 "2020-11-06T18:30:32Z")
Tell, you what, you so object to this phrase- send me all those smallish paper items with “in God We trust” emblazoned on them. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/39 "2020-11-06T20:53:29Z")
You mean those smallish paper items where _I_ have carefully written “In God We Trust”, to express my trust in God (for any definition of God you want to offer)? There aren’t any. Or do you mean those smallish paper items where the United States Congress has taken it upon itself to claim that _I_ “trust in God” even though I do no such thing? Those smallish paper items that I actually take a Sharpie to so that they _ **don’t** _ say “In God We Trust” on them? (It not being real practical to try to pay for my groceries with euros. Of course, like everyone else, I use little plastic cards with microchips in them more and more these days.) I’m really struggling with the “logic” here, of how you think that if I object to putting “In God We Trust” on a state flag, that therefore I must…think it’s just fine on the money? That it’s perfectly OK as a “national motto”, just don’t put the phrase on a _state flag_? Seriously, explain to me how that reply makes any sense whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 6, 2020, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870/40 "2020-11-06T22:59:08Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > Those smallish paper items that I actually take a Sharpie to so that they _ **don’t** _ say “In God We Trust” on them? (I Seriously, explain to me how that reply makes any sense whatsoever. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mississippi-voters-approve-new-state-flag/924870.md?page=3)