# Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens - indicted! **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [February 23, 2018, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376 "2018-02-23T00:37:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/81 "2018-04-17T19:50:10Z")
You guys remember Trump University? Remember how he got fined $25 million? Did you know he hasn’t paid it yet? Its true, just yesterday it was “finalized”. Anybody else here wondering if he actually _has_ $25 million? ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/82 "2018-04-17T19:55:58Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > It’s probably something like “SEALs don’t quit when the going gets rough” I think it’s more like “anyone who is capable of getting through SEAL training - both the brutal BUD/S and the equally demanding advanced training - has the ability to become extremely detached about shit, and ignore hard and repeated kicks in the nuts.” I don’t know if Greitens tried to invoke his status as one of these elite individuals as part of his defense at any point in these proceedings; if he did, I think that would be a cheap move and fallacious appeal to patriotism. I don’t know if he actually did that, though. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/83 "2018-04-17T20:34:27Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > I don’t know if Greitens tried to invoke his status as one of these elite individuals as part of his defense at any point in these proceedings; if he did, I think that would be a cheap move and fallacious appeal to patriotism. I don’t know if he actually did that, though. He hasn’t. Greitens’ defense has been, “I admit I had an affair. Everything was consensual. I didn’t take any pictures.” That, and his lawyers filing many motions to dismiss the charges, and his defenders pointing out the prosecutor isa LIBERAL DEMOCRAT FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/84 "2018-04-17T20:55:51Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > I don’t see Trump quitting either , he will think he can survive impeachment if it comes to that. And he may just beat it . May? Until there are 67 Dem/Ind Senators, he’ll beat it. In other words, you better hope he loses in 2020. > [@kunilou](#): > > …isa LIBERAL DEMOCRAT FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS. Seems to be an epidemic of that recently. That Soros guy sure gets around. ---
**Author:** ![Bijou\_Drains](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bijou_drains/32/2814_2.png) [@Bijou\_Drains](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bijou_Drains)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/85 "2018-04-17T21:04:24Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You guys remember Trump University? Remember how he got fined $25 million? Did you know he hasn’t paid it yet? Its true, just yesterday it was “finalized”. > > Anybody else here wondering if he actually _has_ $25 million? Winning a lawsuit is often much easier than actually collecting the amount you are owed. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/86 "2018-04-17T21:06:51Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > Winning a lawsuit is often much easier than actually collecting the amount you are owed. Especially where Trump is concerned. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/87 "2018-04-18T01:13:14Z")
Missouri House Speaker Todd Richardson, House Majority Leader Rob Vescovo, and House Speaker Pro Tem Elijah Haahr have issued a joint statement calling on Greitens to resign. Senate President Pro Tem Ron Richard issued a similar statement and said if Greitens doesn’t step down, impeachment proceedings should be initiated. > **[Top Missouri GOP lawmakers tell Greitens to resign](https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/hawley-says-greitens-may-have-committed-felony-by-using-donor/article_58e673e2-122f-5795-986a-5742ea329a35.html/?utm_content=buffer3f129&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC)** > > The rebukes come hours after the state attorney general says the governor may have committed a felony. Greitens said Tuesday night he will not resign. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/88 "2018-04-18T02:16:32Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > Missouri House Speaker Todd Richardson, House Majority Leader Rob Vescovo, and House Speaker Pro Tem Elijah Haahr have issued a joint statement calling on Greitens to resign. Senate President Pro Tem Ron Richard issued a similar statement and said if Greitens doesn’t step down, impeachment proceedings should be initiated. > > [Top Missouri GOP lawmakers tell Greitens to resign](http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/hawley-says-greitens-may-have-committed-felony-by-using-donor/article_58e673e2-122f-5795-986a-5742ea329a35.html/?utm_content=buffer3f129&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC) Given that the Senate Majority Leader already called for him to resign five days ago, that’s pretty much a clean sweep of the Republican Leadership. Of course, Greitens ran as an outsider. He made it clear from the start he didn’t owe the Republican establishment a damn thing, and they made it pretty clear they felt the same way. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/89 "2018-04-18T02:35:02Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Of course, Greitens ran as an outsider. He made it clear from the start he didn’t owe the Republican establishment a damn thing, and they made it pretty clear they felt the same way. He don’t need no allies! He’s a macho stud badass SEAL! ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/90 "2018-04-18T03:17:01Z")
Here’s a fun fact. Eric Greitens actually got fewer votes for Governor than his running mate, Mike Parsons, got for Lt. Gov. That’s not the best credential for hanging on while the party leadership is turning against you. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/91 "2018-04-18T16:18:29Z")
> [@Bayard](#): > > He don’t need no allies! He’s a macho stud badass SEAL! Oh, yeah? > [@](#): > > **Missouri lawmakers threatened with donor exodus unless they back governor accused of sexual assault** > > State lawmakers in Missouri claim they’ve been threatened with a sharp decrease in donations unless they actively support embattled Gov. Eric Greitens (R), who has been charged with photographing a woman while she was naked and using the image to threaten her with blackmail. > > Greitens has also been accused of assaulting the woman and coercing her into a sexual relationship. He was indicted on felony invasion of privacy charges related to the nude photo back in February. > > “Lots of people, including me, have been threatened that, if we go against the governor, we will never get financial support from any of the major donors in [Missouri],” one unnamed legislator reportedly told local Missouri Scout, a private news service covering state politics. When Missouri Scout asked other lawmakers to weigh in on the claim, many told the news outlet the threats were allegedly “widespread.” [Cite](https://thinkprogress.org/missouri-lawmakers-will-lose-donors-unless-they-support-governor-01eb651286ba/). What was that about people with more money than sense? ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/92 "2018-04-18T20:20:16Z")
Why would it even be a big deal? If he’s impeached and kicked out, wouldn’t the lieutenant governor take over? And isn’t he also a Republican? When you’ve got a choice between a toxic member of your party in power, who will drag down the entire party, or a nontoxic one in the same office, why wouldn’t you choose the nontoxic one? ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/93 "2018-04-18T22:03:33Z")
And Greitens has filed a restraining order against Attorney General Hawley… - [Source](http://www.kctv5.com/story/37988959/gov-greitens-files-temporary-restraining-order-against-ag-hawley) ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/94 "2018-04-18T22:06:16Z")
Some guesses:[ul] [li]Greitens seems to be chummy with a certain kind of racket or corrupt organization within the GOP.[/li][li]Loyalty matters, ethically, within the mob.[/li][li]Intimidating lower-profile Republicans (like Ron Richard!) is a great way to maintain a certain level of boot-licking on their part.[/li][/ul]Of course the problem with all that is that Ron Richard, for one, has been in Jefferson City longer and has more allies and friends then does Governor Muscles. I don’t know what his relationship is with Muscles’s biggest backer, though. ---
**Author:** ![Lamoral](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lamoral/32/16078_2.png) [@Lamoral](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamoral)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/95 "2018-04-18T22:19:31Z")
> [@GreysonCarlisle](#): > > And Greitens has filed a restraining order against Attorney General Hawley… > > - [Source](http://www.kctv5.com/story/37988959/gov-greitens-files-temporary-restraining-order-against-ag-hawley) Damn, he’s not backing down at all, is he? This reminds me of when Saul Goodman filed for a restraining order on behalf of Mike Ehrmantraut, against the office of the DEA. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/96 "2018-04-18T23:38:12Z")
> [@Jacquernagy](#): > > Damn, he’s not backing down at all, is he? This reminds me of when Saul Goodman filed for a restraining order on behalf of Mike Ehrmantraut, against the office of the DEA. Why would he back down? The national Republican party is basically rigging democracy and is now clearly on the path toward rigging the criminal justice system, as if the actions of Devin Nunes and Mitch McConnell left any doubt? Seriously, why would he respect things like criminal laws against rape? He watched the same election results we did: the country voted for a serial sexual assailant as president and congress doesn’t seem particularly interested in restraining the authoritarian in chief. Greitens figures that if it works for one Executive, it can work him, too. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/97 "2018-04-19T17:14:12Z")
This morning the trial judge[threw out the defense’s latest motion](http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/judge-refuses-to-dismiss-criminal-case-against-greitens/article_c98037c8-0251-5b71-9b95-02a1fba069ff.html) (I believe this makes six in all) to dismiss the charges. However, the reports of his ruling read like he’s pretty damn sick and tired of both the defense and the prosecution and figures the fastest way to get it over with is just to have the trial. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [April 20, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/98 "2018-04-20T23:31:06Z")
And he’s been [charged with felony computer data tampering](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-missouri-governor/missouri-governor-charged-with-felony-computer-data-tampering-idUSKBN1HR383). > [@](#): > > Missouri Attorney General, Josh Hawley, told reporters on Tuesday his office had uncovered evidence of the electronic theft by Greitens during a broader investigation of a combat veterans charity founded by Greitens, a former U.S. Navy SEALs commando. > > The criminal complaint and accompanying “probable cause” statement accuse Greitens of felony computer tampering to obtain and transmit the donor list of the charity, The Mission Continues, for his own gain without its permission. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/99 "2018-04-21T00:33:57Z")
And of course the Gov. has i[ssued the ritual denial.](https://www.facebook.com/EricGreitens/) But this time he IS pointing out that he was a Navy SEAL. > [@](#): > > The latest charge is about my work at the Mission Continues. When I came home from Iraq after service as a Navy SEAL, I started the Mission Continues to help veterans. In the seven years I ran that organization, we helped thousands of veterans, won national awards for excellence, and became one of the finest veteran’s charities in the country. ---
**Author:** ![Sicks\_Ate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/258eb7/32.png) [@Sicks\_Ate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sicks_Ate)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2018, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376/100 "2018-04-21T00:41:31Z")
Something I didn’t know until recently, is that he was (as SEALs go) kind of a nobody. He got passed over for a command, and left after only 4 years. Apparently, it’s kind of verboten to get your trident and bail out at the earliest opportunity. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/missouri-gov-eric-greitens-indicted/809376.md?page=6)