# ML Baseball 2010, talk to tide us over! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [February 11, 2010, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546 "2010-02-11T11:44:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/61 "2010-02-16T17:12:30Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > BIG NEWS! > > The Mets have signed Mike Jacobs. Either he or Daniel Murphy will start the season as the everyday first baseman. They won’t platoon, because both are left-handed. Omar’s so clever! Alright, I’m convinced. I have been holding out, insisting it wasn’t so, for many years. But the evidence is just too great to ignore. I have to tip my cap to the reality-based community, admit I was wrong, and accept the truth: Omar Minaya is the worst GM in baseball. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/62 "2010-02-16T17:28:37Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Alright, I’m convinced. I have been holding out, insisting it wasn’t so, for many years. But the evidence is just too great to ignore. I have to tip my cap to the reality-based community, admit I was wrong, and accept the truth: > > Omar Minaya is the worst GM in baseball. Really? Cool, thank you. I am glad you have joined us in the NY area in this opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/63 "2010-02-16T17:56:56Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Omar Minaya is the worst GM in baseball. That’s because you already ran out your guy in Toronto, who was contending for worst of all time. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/64 "2010-02-16T18:27:06Z")
Yeah, I’m done defending Minaya. This offseason was off the charts terrible. > [@Munch](#): > > That’s because you already ran out your guy in Toronto, who was contending for worst of all time. J.P. Ricciardi wasn’t that bad. He had horrible people skills, and made some terrible moves (though reportably with some ownership intervention), but winning as many games as you lose in the AL East when you aren’t the Yankees or Red Sox is not a bad result. A bit more luck and he would had a couple playoff appearances. ---
**Author:** ![Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swords_to_Plowshares)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/65 "2010-02-16T18:27:19Z")
I’d imagine I’m the only Marlins fan on this board… Anyways, I’m optimistic about 2010. The core lineup is still intact, and it’s very good. Our weakness is starting pitching - aside from Josh Johnson everyone else is mediocre or worse. I was hoping they’d pick up a good starting ace in the offseason but it didn’t happen. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/66 "2010-02-16T18:53:03Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Alright, I’m convinced. I have been holding out, insisting it wasn’t so, for many years. But the evidence is just too great to ignore. I have to tip my cap to the reality-based community, admit I was wrong, and accept the truth: > > Omar Minaya is the worst GM in baseball. …_and_ they didn’t get Baseball Prospectus in at the stupid Borders, so this day is just a total loss. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2010, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/67 "2010-02-16T18:58:22Z")
> [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](#): > > I’d imagine I’m the only Marlins fan on this board… Anyways, I’m optimistic about 2010. The core lineup is still intact, and it’s very good. Our weakness is starting pitching - aside from Josh Johnson everyone else is mediocre or worse. I was hoping they’d pick up a good starting ace in the offseason but it didn’t happen. Nolasco is very good too. He was just obscenely unlucky last year. The underlying numbers were similar to 2008. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/68 "2010-02-17T15:33:57Z")
Nationals signed Wang, a good move at a good price. Not that anyone will ever feel sorry for the Yanks, but this is a good example of where the arbitration system is broken. The Yanks cut him as the arbitrations rules are set to where Wang could not earn less than $4.5 million guaranteed from the Yanks. This is a rare situation but one that could happen to any team. If a player basically misses two years, a larger arbitration paycut should happen. Especially when the player is not even ready for Spring Training. ---
**Author:** ![Chessic\_Sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/7c8e57/32.png) [@Chessic\_Sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chessic_Sense)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/69 "2010-02-17T18:55:15Z")
Pitchers and Catchers reported 1 hour ago! Yay! It’s almost here, folks, it’s almost here! And as an added bonus for today, I just found out that my season opener is against my favorite not-hometeam team…the Dodgers. Atlanta’s my “daughter that’s settled down and popping out grandkids” team, LA’s my “son, the successful business man” team, and the Pirates are my “son that keeps stealing money from me to support his drug habit, but gosh darnit, I still love him” team. ---
**Author:** ![Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b38774/32.png) [@Swords\_to\_Plowshares](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Swords_to_Plowshares)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/70 "2010-02-17T19:43:23Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Nolasco is very good too. He was just obscenely unlucky last year. The underlying numbers were similar to 2008. I’m not sure what to make of him. He was so unreliable in '09, but I hope you’re correct. And what the hell happened to Anibal Sanchez? I thought he was going to be the second coming of Livan Hernandez but he stunk after coming back from his latest injury. (I’d fetch some stats but I’m posting from my phone.) ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2010, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/71 "2010-02-17T20:04:17Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > Besides Baseball Prospectus, what else should I read? My 2010 Baseball Prospectus will be here on Tuesday! It’s not BP, but some of the [SBNation blogs](http://www.sbnation.com/blogs#baseball) [are](http://www.mccoveychronicles.com/)a lot of fun. (And some really, really [aren’t](http://www.purplerow.com/).) 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/72 "2010-02-18T17:46:10Z")
> [@brianjedi](#): > > Fernando Tatis only belongs in that discussion if the Mets will be facing Chan Ho Park 162 times this year. > > Let’s see who gets that one. Even then there’s no guarantee if the bases aren’t loaded. Good grief, was that really 12 years ago? ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/73 "2010-02-18T17:53:46Z")
Oh jesus. Now that you’ve said it _was_, I’m not even going to check. Certainly that wasn’t 12 years ago. As long as we’re talking about the Marlins, with all the talk of bad teams making bad moves, allow me to point to the Marlins [transaction page.](http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/teams/transactions?team=fla) I think Jayson Stark pointed it out, but they haven’t signed a single free agent to a guaranteed deal. They are incredible. Even in the same division as the Phillies, I have to admit they totally fascinate me. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/74 "2010-02-18T18:10:53Z")
Yes, folks, pitching really is so thin that Chan Ho Park could still be pitching in the majors this year. ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/75 "2010-02-18T18:41:21Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Yes, folks, pitching really is so thin that Chan Ho Park could still be pitching in the majors this year. Park has actually been pretty good, since he moved to middle relief. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2010, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/76 "2010-02-18T19:04:48Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Park has actually been pretty good, since he moved to middle relief. I would say “hasn’t sucked” vs. pretty good, but yes, you could do worse than Chan Ho Park in your bullpen. ---
**Author:** ![brianjedi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/3be4f8/32.png) [@brianjedi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brianjedi)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/77 "2010-02-19T03:45:41Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Oh jesus. Now that you’ve said it _was_, I’m not even going to check. Certainly that wasn’t 12 years ago. 11, actually. Man, that was an AWFUL Cardinals team, too. Just looked at the team page on BR, and the list of starters is like a “Who’s That” of baseball. Eli Marrero, Joe McEwing, Kent Bottenfield (who would be traded with Adam Kennedy and a bag of magic beans at year’s end for Jimmy Ballgame), the decaying remains of Eric Davis, Shawon Dunston and Willie McGee and the pieces that would be dealt for Darryl Kile, Fernando Vina and Pat Hentgen, who started the run that led us to the '06 Series. In interesting news, the Cards have made Mike Matheny a roving catching instructor for the minor league teams, and the NRIs in camp include a knuckleballer. Remember, kids: chicks dig the knuckler. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2010, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/78 "2010-02-19T05:30:47Z")
> [@brianjedi](#): > > In interesting news, the Cards have made Mike Matheny a roving catching instructor for the minor league teams, and the NRIs in camp include a knuckleballer. Remember, kids: chicks dig the knuckler. Good to see he’s back in baseball. Sounded like he had it bad for quite a while. …and I see he’s been back a while now. ---
**Author:** ![Invisible\_Chimp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/f05b48/32.png) [@Invisible\_Chimp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Invisible_Chimp)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/79 "2010-02-21T05:42:00Z")
ESPN is reporting that Johnny Damon has accepted an $8 million deal with the Tigers. ---
**Author:** ![KennerTheGreat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a8b319/32.png) [@KennerTheGreat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KennerTheGreat)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546/80 "2010-02-21T05:56:24Z")
The Blue Jays have [signed](http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20100219&content_id=8098540&vkey=news_tor&fext=.jsp&c_id=tor) Jose Molina to a one year, non-guaranteed contract. He’s guaranteed 400 grand, but that jumps to 800 if he makes the Opening Day roster. There’s also a 1.2 million club option for '11. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ml-baseball-2010-talk-to-tide-us-over/528546.md?page=5)