# MLB: August 2010 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [August 1, 2010, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796 "2010-08-01T15:34:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/161 "2010-08-19T16:39:26Z")
It looked like the White Sox were going to run away with it. Then they fell. The Tigers beat them 2 out of 3 in Chicago. The Tigers are a very poor road team. They are supposed to have great pitching but that is falling on hard times too. I hate the Twits. Guillen is back on the 15 day DL. He just returned to the field a week or so ago after a long DL stay. Ordonez is down for the year. The Tigers will need a lot of breaks to generate interest. Bosch has collapsed. He was at 345 at the break and is now 270. That is a huge drop and makes everybody confused. If you watched him play the first half, he looked great. He did not strike out much. He had no trouble going the other way with power. Now he looks overmatched by every pitcher. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/162 "2010-08-19T17:17:07Z")
[Roger Clemens is going down.](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/sports/baseball/20clemens.html?_r=1&hp) Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/163 "2010-08-19T18:20:39Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > [Roger Clemens is going down.](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/sports/baseball/20clemens.html?_r=1&hp) Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. I was gonna post this very story in its own thread and then I searched and found your post. I’m sure Clemens is a douche, but I do remember a bunch of other perjurors who skated away. Remember every damn CEO of every damn tobacco company swearing before Congress that they had no knowledge that cigarettes were addicting. Now THERE was perjury that mattered, about lies that the companies had been telling the American public for decades, that cost tens or hundreds of thousands of lives, maybe even millions. I’ve never heard anyone in Congress even _suggest_ that any of those guys should spend some time in an ass-pounding Federal prison. I understand that there’s no real link between the two issues, except that my brain created one when I saw the Clemens story this morning. But FUCK, of all the bullshit to waste time on, when so many other so much worse things are ignored, really PISSES me off. Please… continue your baseball discussion. Sorry to interrupt. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/164 "2010-08-19T18:49:23Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I was gonna post this very story in its own thread and then I searched and found your post. Ah. [I just did it.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=575114) I think it’s of a different sort of interest than the day-to-day stuff that mostly occupies this thread, though, and probably both threads benefit from the separation. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/165 "2010-08-19T20:32:17Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > [QU > I understand that there’s no real link between the two issues, except that my brain created one when I saw the Clemens story this morning. But FUCK, of all the bullshit to waste time on, when so many other so much worse things are ignored, really PISSES me off. > > Please… continue your baseball discussion. Sorry to interrupt. I think it’s perfectly valid to ask why the government of the most powerful nation is bothering with this shit, why they ever even held any hearings on steroids in Major League Baseball, or for that matter concerns itself with Major League Baseball at all. I like baseball and I like MLB, but how in fuck’s name is it important enough to merit the attention of Congress? It’s not even that big a deal as businesses go; MLB earns what, $7 billion a year? I guess that sounds like a lot but in the grand scheme of big business MLB is a pimple on the ass of REALLY important business. Why are legislators wasting their time on whether or not Roger Clemens did some roids? It might be important to me as a fan, but geez, I acknowledge that it’s only important within the confines of baseball. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/166 "2010-08-19T20:56:22Z")
If Congress wants to meddle in the affairs of baseball, how about they force the installation of a salary cap instead of wasting resources and time pursuing roid users? I do admit to a certain bit of schadenfreude that its Clemens though. I can’t stand that guy. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/167 "2010-08-19T21:12:53Z")
Woohoo! Padres sweep the Cubs in a 4-games series, making them 6-1 on their road trip so far, and 9-1 over their last 10. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/168 "2010-08-19T21:34:22Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > > [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > > > [QU > > I understand that there’s no real link between the two issues, except that my brain created one when I saw the Clemens story this morning. But FUCK, of all the bullshit to waste time on, when so many other so much worse things are ignored, really PISSES me off. > > > > Please… continue your baseball discussion. Sorry to interrupt. > > I think it’s perfectly valid to ask why the government of the most powerful nation is bothering with this shit, why they ever even held any hearings on steroids in Major League Baseball, or for that matter concerns itself with Major League Baseball at all. I like baseball and I like MLB, but how in fuck’s name is it important enough to merit the attention of Congress? It’s not even that big a deal as businesses go; MLB earns what, $7 billion a year? I guess that sounds like a lot but in the grand scheme of big business MLB is a pimple on the ass of REALLY important business. > > Why are legislators wasting their time on whether or not Roger Clemens did some roids? It might be important to me as a fan, but geez, I acknowledge that it’s only important within the confines of baseball. Not unprecedented. They gave them an anti-trust exemption years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/169 "2010-08-19T22:07:04Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Why are legislators wasting their time on whether or not Roger Clemens did some roids? It might be important to me as a fan, but geez, I acknowledge that it’s only important within the confines of baseball. Because baseball is something that much larger businesses are not: regular front page news. Around these parts Arlen Specter in particular used the PED issue as a way to market himself; after all, how many stances are as apolitical and as likely to generate lots and lots of approval as “Clemens and Bonds are dicks”? You get angry, show a little emotion, talk about the history of the game being cheapened… it’s money in the bank. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/170 "2010-08-19T22:17:03Z")
Are hot dogs and apple pie next? I’ll bet not hot dogs – nobody in Congress wants Americans to know what goes into hot dogs. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/171 "2010-08-19T23:01:16Z")
We already _know_ what’s in [Mom’s Apple Pie](http://friends.s5.net/mazzini/plosce/pie.html). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/172 "2010-08-19T23:56:50Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > We already _know_ what’s in [Mom’s Apple Pie](http://friends.s5.net/mazzini/plosce/pie.html). Great image! I was thinking about the movie _American Pie_ when I posted, but I didn’t quite know how to work it in. ---
**Author:** ![KennerTheGreat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a8b319/32.png) [@KennerTheGreat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KennerTheGreat)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/173 "2010-08-20T00:59:12Z")
Wow, the powers that be at Rogers are actually showing the weekend series between the Jays and Red Sucks on the regular Sportsnet, instead of the Fuck You Bell Channel. (Thanks for that one, **Rysto.** ) If I were a [del]goat-felching bastard[/del] Rogers executive, I would have left the previous Oakland series on the regular network and yanked the Boston series, in the hopes of getting more people to pressure the other cable/satellite companies. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/174 "2010-08-20T21:53:16Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Why are legislators wasting their time on whether or not Roger Clemens did some roids? It might be important to me as a fan, but geez, I acknowledge that it’s only important within the confines of baseball. Which was a bigger waste of time? Clinton’s alleged perjury or Clemons’? Probably Clinton. And it’s not like Roger couldn’t have avoided his. But still… > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > If Congress wants to meddle in the affairs of baseball, how about they force the installation of a salary cap instead of wasting resources and time pursuing roid users? Because salary caps suck? And screw the players? ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/175 "2010-08-21T02:11:41Z")
w00t! Mariners 6, Yankees 0 Felix Hernandez vs. Yankees this year: 3-0, 0.36 ERA ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/176 "2010-08-21T03:24:56Z")
Jays 16, Red Sox 2. For the next 14 hours or so I don’t hate Lyle Overbay. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/177 "2010-08-21T04:02:01Z")
> [@Yookeroo](#): > > Because salary caps suck? And screw the players? Really? Ask the players in the NBA, NFL and NHL. Do YOU think they wish they were making unlimited money to the detriment of their sport? YOU BET THEY DO! ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/178 "2010-08-21T06:06:22Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Mariners 6, Yankees 0 > [@RickJay](#): > > Jays 16, Red Sox 2. Very nice. It’s a good day in baseball when Yankee fans _and_ Red Sox fans both leave their stadiums unhappy. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/179 "2010-08-21T14:01:45Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > > [@Yookeroo](#): > > > > Because salary caps suck? And screw the players? > > Really? Ask the players in the NBA, NFL and NHL. Do YOU think they wish they were making unlimited money to the detriment of their sport? YOU BET THEY DO! Of course they would. And it isn’t unlimited money, but rather what the free market would bare. Especially since there isn’t any evidence that it is in anyway detrimental of the sport. Basketball by the way just got utterly screwed by their cap. There is no way the Heat build an instant dynasty without the artificial lowering of superstars’ salaries. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2010, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796/180 "2010-08-21T16:55:24Z")
> [@Hawkeyeop](#): > > Basketball by the way just got utterly screwed by their cap. There is no way the Heat build an instant dynasty without the artificial lowering of superstars’ salaries. I’m going to wait for the Heat to \*\*actually win some championships \*\*before declaring them a dynasty. I have this feeling they’re not going to be as eternally invincible as many believe. However, your point is valid in a general sense; salary caps have unintended consequences. The NBA salary cap has created a system whereby the unloading and acceptance of salaries is as important a part of player selection as talent, and where weak teams are unable to trade stars for prospects. The NHL salary cap has resulted in a variety of unpleasant surprises, like bullshit 15-year contracts and the salary “floor” hurting the ability of bad teams to rebuild with younger talent. Farking around with the market always does something you never expected. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-august-2010/548796.md?page=10)