# MLB fans-Who will break your heart if they are in the Mitchell report? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 13, 2007, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863 "2007-12-13T15:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![VarlosZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d78d45/32.png) [@VarlosZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VarlosZ)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/61 "2007-12-13T18:53:35Z")
This thing is a fucking joke. Uncorroborated rumor or hearsay under oath used to condemn players for something that, in many cases, wasn’t even against the rules when they did it. The is necessarily just a fragment of the “true” list, but even if we grant that the Mitchell Report is more or less accurate, I don’t see how anyone benefits from this. It doesn’t answer any questions: there’s plenty of deniability for most of the names on the list, and there’s still going to be rampant speculation about who they missed. It might be too late now, but the answer is (was) so simple: declare amnesty and move forward with the stringent drug testing system now in place. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/62 "2007-12-13T19:02:46Z")
> [@VarlosZ](#): > > This thing is a fucking joke. Uncorroborated rumor or hearsay under oath used to condemn players for something that, in many cases, wasn’t even against the rules when they did it. It was against the _law_, though. Shouldn’t it be assumed that anything which is against the law is _ipso facto_ “against the rules” for any place of employment? ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/63 "2007-12-13T19:08:01Z")
[QUOTE=Hippy Hollow] Yes, and I agree. But being an asshole is totally within his right. Hell, sports is full of assholes who don’t get the hate that people seem to have for Bonds. Jim Rome is right now saying that if Clemens did indeed juice up, he should be getting the same blowback as Bonds got. I always felt Bonds was the scapegoat for the whole steroid issue, while people were way too willing to ignore the fact that it probably wasn’t just him. [/QUOTE] Bonds is the highest profile and the most egregious example of steroid/HGH use in baseball. He went from a wiry player to a hulking monster in a couple years late in his career. This growth was almost certainly fueled by drugs, and it allowed him to break the two most coveted records in the game. That’s why he is the poster child for the steroid age. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/64 "2007-12-13T19:09:23Z")
Here it is, all 400+ pages. [http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/13/mitchell.report.pdf](http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/13/mitchell.report.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Cluricaun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/bb73d2/32.png) [@Cluricaun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cluricaun)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/65 "2007-12-13T19:12:27Z")
[QUOTE=hajario] Here it is, all 400+ pages. [http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/13/mitchell.report.pdf](http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/12/13/mitchell.report.pdf) [/QUOTE] Word to the wise, that file is frickin huge. 6.47MB to be exact. ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/66 "2007-12-13T19:19:15Z")
[QUOTE=Me] I guess it wouldn’t be surprising if Pujols is on the list (and if the leaks can be believed, he is). But it would break my heart. As a Cardinals partisan, I have to ask, “Where have you gone, Stan Musial?” [/QUOTE] Whew. Looks like Pujols is **not** on the list. ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/67 "2007-12-13T19:19:18Z")
[QUOTE=ShibbOleth] Power, and perhaps more importantly, better recovery time from injuries. Added: No wonder the Rays suck – not a single name on the list. We need more juice to compete in our division! [/QUOTE] Oh, I think the injury recovery is the biggest aspect. By far. More pitchers should be on the list for that reason. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/68 "2007-12-13T19:22:08Z")
[QUOTE=Bayard] Whew. Looks like Pujols is **not** on the list. [/QUOTE] How about Andy Pettitte and Varitek? I won’t be able to open it until later in the day. ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/69 "2007-12-13T19:26:10Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] How about Andy Pettitte and Varitek? I won’t be able to open it until later in the day. [/QUOTE] Varitek isn’t in the report. Pettitte: “McNamee traveled to Tampa at Pettitte’s request and spent about ten days assisting Pettitte with his rehabilitation. McNamee recalled that he injected Pettitte with human growth hormone that McNamee obtained from Radomski on two to four occasions. Pettitte paid McNamee for the trip and his expenses; there was no separate payment for the human growth hormone.” ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/70 "2007-12-13T19:26:28Z")
[QUOTE=What Exit?] How about Andy Pettitte and Varitek? I won’t be able to open it until later in the day. [/QUOTE] Pettite is. Varitek is not. EDITED TO ADD: He mostly sticks to the names that were already known. The only real surprise was Lenny Dykstra, at least for me. Now we know why he always had that big chaw in his mouth. It was steroid impregnated. ---
**Author:** ![Hippy\_Hollow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hippy_hollow/32/4841_2.png) [@Hippy\_Hollow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hippy_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/71 "2007-12-13T19:27:13Z")
[QUOTE=Kid\_A] Varitek isn’t in the report. [/QUOTE] Phew! ---
**Author:** ![treis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bc79bd/32.png) [@treis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/treis)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/72 "2007-12-13T19:27:48Z")
> [@](#): > > ``` > McNamee recalled that he injected Pettitte with human > > ``` > > growth hormone that McNamee obtained from Radomski on two to four occasions. Pettitte paid > McNamee for the trip and his expenses; there was no separate payment for the human growth > hormone. Yup ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/73 "2007-12-13T19:28:37Z")
Names start on Page 175 ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/74 "2007-12-13T19:30:25Z")
The leaked list wasn’t very accurate. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/75 "2007-12-13T19:31:34Z")
[QUOTE=Kid\_A] Varitek isn’t in the report. Pettitte: “McNamee traveled to Tampa at Pettitte’s request and spent about ten days assisting Pettitte with his rehabilitation. McNamee recalled that he injected Pettitte with human growth hormone that McNamee obtained from Radomski on two to four occasions. Pettitte paid McNamee for the trip and his expenses; there was no separate payment for the human growth hormone.” [/QUOTE] Damn, Damn, Damn. Andy please don’t ever act holier than thou again! I am glad Varitek is not there, he is the Red Sox I respect the most since Yaz. Jim ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/76 "2007-12-13T19:33:49Z")
I’m sort of wondering now what to think about a player like Pettitte who used HGH once (that we know of) to help speed his recovery from an injury. Is it just as bad as a guy like Clemens who used a variety of steroids regularly over multiple seasons? ---
**Author:** ![Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e36b37/32.png) [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airman_Doors_USAF)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/77 "2007-12-13T19:34:44Z")
That’s why none of this really matters. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/78 "2007-12-13T19:39:21Z")
I’m glad Mario Mendoza didn’t make the list. That would have been really sad. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/79 "2007-12-13T19:41:38Z")
[QUOTE=Cheesesteak] I’m sort of wondering now what to think about a player like Pettitte who used HGH once (that we know of) to help speed his recovery from an injury. Is it just as bad as a guy like Clemens who used a variety of steroids regularly over multiple seasons? [/QUOTE] Taint is taint, known to use once, makes it a lot more suspiscious that he used more than once. It is good for the Yanks that his won’t earn a suspension, but it sucks for his fans that believed his Aw Gosh was 100% true. Damn it! ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-fans-who-will-break-your-heart-if-they-are-in-the-mitchell-report/429863/80 "2007-12-13T19:45:58Z")
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