# MLB Franchise Four vote - who's on your team's Mt. Rushmore? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [April 11, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449 "2015-04-11T21:12:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![russian\_heel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f05b48/32.png) [@russian\_heel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/russian_heel)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 9:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/21 "2015-04-12T09:11:43Z")
Phillies: Mike Schmidt Richie Ashburn Steve Carlton Jimmie Rollins ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/22 "2015-04-12T18:23:45Z")
Braves Warren Spahn Henry Aaron Chipper Jones One of the big three (Maddox,Smoltz, Galvine) ---
**Author:** ![markdash](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba8739/32.png) [@markdash](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markdash)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/23 "2015-04-12T19:09:04Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > As Willie McCovey is my all time favorite player, I choose him over Bonds. Bold move, choosing McCovey over one of the top 3 players of all-time šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/24 "2015-04-12T19:49:53Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Yankees > > Ruth > Gehrig > Mantle > Berra > > Easily the toughest choices of any team. Rivera and DiMaggio would be locks anywhere else. I love Yogi, one of my favorite players, Iā€™ve even met him and of course visited his museum more than once, but no, Joe DiMaggio, the Yankee Clipper, is one of the 4. He meant more to the Yanks than Yogi and more to Baseball than Yogi. Yogi is a national treasure but Joltin Joe is on another level. I believe Yogi would strongly agree. ---
**Author:** ![Kimble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kimble/32/19185_2.png) [@Kimble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimble)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/25 "2015-04-12T19:51:00Z")
Blue Jays: Dave Stieb Roy Halladay Tony Fernandez Either Carlos Delgado or Jose Bautistaā€¦ for now, Iā€™ll go with Delgado ---
**Author:** ![FuriousGeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecae2f/32.png) [@FuriousGeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FuriousGeorge)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/26 "2015-04-12T20:40:11Z")
Yankees fan, Iā€™d have to break it up in to twoā€¦ one pre-reserve clause, one post-reserve clause. Pre-Reserve Clause: Ruth Gehrig Mantle DiMaggio Post-Reserve Clause Munson Jeter Rivera Guidry ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/27 "2015-04-12T22:03:56Z")
_Atlanta_ Braves Niekro Aaron Glavine Maddux ā€¦ With apologies to Dale Murphy, who I edited out when I saw that I forgot Hammerinā€™ Hank. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/28 "2015-04-12T22:28:22Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > St. Louis Cardinals: > > Stan Musial > Ozzie Smith > Bob Gibson > > The fourth spot isnā€™t a universal choice the way the other three are. Worthy contenders include Rogers Hornsby, Dizzy Dean, Red Schoendienst, and Willie McGee, among others. Agree, both about the top three (they were the first ones I thought of) and about the fourth being not a universal choice. A case could be made for Albert Pujols, who was with the Cardinals for over a decade and who was considered one of the best players in MLB during that time (he certainly lost some love among St. Louis fans when he left for Los Angeles, but in retrospect that worked out pretty well for the Cardinals); or for Yadier Molina. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/29 "2015-04-12T23:44:08Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I love Yogi, one of my favorite players, Iā€™ve even met him and of course visited his museum more than once, but no, Joe DiMaggio, the Yankee Clipper, is one of the 4. He meant more to the Yanks than Yogi and more to Baseball than Yogi. Yogi is a national treasure but Joltin Joe is on another level. I believe Yogi would strongly agree. Yogi just got it done. He was a winner. Sure, DiMag was a great player, but accounting for his personality, Iā€™d rather have Yogi on my team. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2015, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/30 "2015-04-12T23:58:53Z")
> [@Airman\_Doors\_USAF](#): > > Pirates: > > Honus Wagner > Roberto Clemente > Willie Stargell > Pie Traynor > > I canā€™t make Arky Vaughan fit on that list even though heā€™s one of the greatest shortstops of all time. Barry Bonds earned his first two MVP awards with Pittsburgh but had his best years with the Giants. Paul and Lloyd Waner, Ralph Kiner, and Bill Mazeroski miss as well. Lots of Hall of Fame players played for the Pirates, but most of them had their best years elsewhere and Pittsburgh got them at the end of their careers. Going to toss out Traynir on my list and add Mazeroski. Regardless of what anyone else says, no one hit a more impactful HR than Maz in game 7 of the 1960 World Series. The reason it doesnā€™t get listed as the top HR in baseball history is because a beloved NY team lostā€¦ If the Yankees had won that game on a 9th inning HR, it would have supplanted the ā€œshot heard 'round the world.ā€ (NYG Bobby Thompson). Mazā€™ swing gave the Pirates their first WS since 1925. He was never the hitter Traynir was (or Arky), but he was arguably the best defensive second baseman ever, and he has one of the most iconic hits in MLB history. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/31 "2015-04-13T00:25:47Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Going to toss out Traynir on my list and add Mazeroski. > > Regardless of what anyone else says, no one hit a more impactful HR than Maz in game 7 of the 1960 World Series. The reason it doesnā€™t get listed as the top HR in baseball history is because a beloved NY team lostā€¦ If the Yankees had won that game on a 9th inning HR, it would have supplanted the ā€œshot heard 'round the world.ā€ (NYG Bobby Thompson). > > Mazā€™ swing gave the Pirates their first WS since 1925. He was never the hitter Traynir was (or Arky), but he was arguably the best defensive second baseman ever, and he has one of the most iconic hits in MLB history. Yep, had to go with Maz. Traynor was awesome, but that image of Mazeroski running into home is one of the most iconic images in pro-sports. My mother remembers watching it with my grandfather when she got home from school. Itā€™s right up there with the Immactulate Reception, as far as Pittsburgh sports go. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/32 "2015-04-13T00:27:25Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Forgot Herschiser. Damn, but this list is pitcher-heavy. Honorable mention to Scully, of course. You left off Hee Seop Choi! šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/33 "2015-04-13T00:47:16Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > Going to toss out Traynir on my list and add Mazeroski. Traynor, not Traynir. I swear I know how to spell the manā€™s name. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/34 "2015-04-13T02:36:28Z")
> [@markdash](#): > > Giants: > Christy Mathewson > Mel Ott > Willie Mays > Barry Bonds I picked McCovey over Mathewson, but I went back and forth on the decision for a while. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/35 "2015-04-13T05:56:11Z")
Royals: George Brett (duh) Frank White Bret Saberhagen Alex Gordon I could easily hear arguments for Willie Wilson, Dan Quisenberry, Kevin Appier and Amos Otis instead of any of those other than Brett. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_T-Cups](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed655f/32.png) [@Sir\_T-Cups](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sir_T-Cups)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/36 "2015-04-13T12:59:39Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > Brewers: Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Ryan Braun, Bob Uecker\* > > - > - never played for the Brewers, but heā€™s a Milwaukee native, played for the Braves, has been the Brewersā€™ radio announcer for 45 years, and is probably as identified with the team as any player. > > Honorable mentions to Jim Gantner, Gorman Thomas, and Prince Fielder. Here I am racking my brain trying to figure out who mine would be figuring no Brewer would be listedā€¦and itā€™s in the second post! My only question is since Young and Molitor were basically the same year, and this is supposed to be generational, replace one with Hank? (aaron, not the dog) Hank, Yount, Fielder (screw Braun I miss Prince), Uecker I like that you put Youk, that was a smart thing ---
**Author:** ![mcgato](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac8455/32.png) [@mcgato](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mcgato)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/37 "2015-04-13T13:14:25Z")
For the Twins: Killebrew Puckett Carew Mauer Mauer edged Oliva and Blyleven, but it was close. I refuse to accept Walter Johnson as a Twin. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/38 "2015-04-13T13:41:23Z")
> [@Kimble](#): > > Blue Jays: > > Dave Stieb > Roy Halladay > Tony Fernandez > Either Carlos Delgado or Jose Bautistaā€¦ for now, Iā€™ll go with Delgado Iā€™m not sure I would agree with a list that includes only one person who substantially helped the team win one of its two World Series. Iā€™d replace Delgado/Bautista with Roberto Alomar, for sure. Alomar was as great a player as either of those guys and was the best overall player on two World Champions, which is saying a hell of a lot. He is in the Hall of Fame, as deserves to be, and 1992-1993 was the apex of his career. Itā€™s hard to argue with Stieb or Halladay just because they were so great - Stieb is one of the most underrated players of modern baseball - and Fernandez is an easy choice. Toronto has no lifetime superplayers like Tony Gwynn or Carl Yastrzemski, so you can argue for or against like fifteen guys. Jose Bautista is an incredible player but Iā€™d be unwilling to carve him into the mountain when the book isnā€™t closed on him yet. If Toronto makes the playoffs this year and wins something, then his argument becomes way stronger. If they donā€™t, heā€™ll be gone from Toronto in 2016 with no playoff games to his credit. and at that point it would be very hard to figure out who to dump to make room for him. Iā€™d be inclined to lose Delgado. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/39 "2015-04-13T13:46:27Z")
> [@markdash](#): > > Iā€™m not a Sox fan but I have a hard time believing Yaz isnā€™t in the top 4. Probably at the expense of Pedro (who I love, so Iā€™m not anti-Pedro)? Yazā€™s period of ā€œimpactfulnessā€, at least at Rushmore level, was pretty brief, arguably only one glorious season. Pedro was as dominant an October performer as there ever was for an extended period. So he gets my vote. David Ortiz has been, if anything, even more ā€œimpactfulā€ as a community leader than a hitter, and Iā€™d tie him with Ted for #1 on my list (Note that, after the Marathon bombings, the community didnā€™t look to the mayor or governor or cardinal etc. to say the right thing, we looked to the designated hitter. And he came through, too). I could entertain arguments for Babe Ruth, Smokey Joe Wood, and Johnny Pesky, too. ---
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Man, youā€™re selling Yaz way short. He was the best player in the American League for five or six years. The 60s made peopleā€™s numbers look flat but Yaz had three or four years, at least, better than any David Ortiz season. His 1968 looks ordinary by modern standards, but he was better than Miguel Cabrera was when Cabrera won the Triple Crown. (It helps Yaz was a tremendous glove man.) Admittedly Yaz never won a World Series but he dragged the Red Sox to a pennant, in the days you had to win the entire league to say that, to an extent hardly any Hall of Famer can say. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449.md?page=3)