# MLB Franchise Four vote - who's on your team's Mt. Rushmore?

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**Created:** [April 11, 2015, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449 "2015-04-11T21:12:08Z")\
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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/41 "2015-04-13T17:18:01Z")

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It’s a tough call, sure. Tough in a good way, though, not like Nats fans have it tough with 7 of their 8 listed choices actually being Expos.

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**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\
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> [@Kimble](#):
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> Blue Jays:
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> Dave Stieb  
> Roy Halladay  
> Tony Fernandez  
> Either Carlos Delgado or Jose Bautista… for now, I’ll go with Delgado

Maybe McGriff for that last slot?

> [@cmkeller](#):
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> Royals:
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> George Brett (duh)  
> Frank White  
> Bret Saberhagen  
> Alex Gordon
> 
> I could easily hear arguments for Willie Wilson, Dan Quisenberry, Kevin Appier and Amos Otis instead of any of those other than Brett.

It’s tough to not go with Willie, but then you have all 4 from the same era. Otis would be a good choice, even though he has plenty of overlap. If you want current generation, Gordon’s a great pick - but do you maybe put Sweeney in there somewhere?

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**Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/43 "2015-04-13T17:27:31Z")

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Cy, Ted, Yaz, Pedro.

Wish there was room for Papi as he has as much to do with the 3 championships as anyone else, but just can’t bring myself to leave Yaz out. But, as the broadcasters during the Sox/Yanks game on Saturday noted, one of those pitchers never won a single Cy Young award.

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**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/44 "2015-04-13T17:35:49Z")

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Huh? Pedro won _three_. And Cy Young has the award named after him.

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**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/45 "2015-04-13T17:49:56Z")

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SD Padres.

1. Tony Gwynn. (would have made Tony #1, 2, 3 and 4 because he deserves all of the votes)
2. Dave Winfield.
3. Nate Colbert.
4. Randy Jones.

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**Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/46 "2015-04-13T17:51:09Z")

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> [@ElvisL1ves](#):
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> And Cy Young has the award named after him.

I think that was their point. 🙂

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**Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/47 "2015-04-13T18:08:24Z")

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> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#):
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> My only question is since Young and Molitor were basically the same year, and this is supposed to be generational, replace one with Hank? (aaron, not the dog)

As much as I adore Aaron, he was only a Brewer for two seasons, and that at the very end of his career. He’s a Milwaukee icon, and I see your point…but, to me, he belongs on the Braves’ Mount Rushmore, not the Brewers’.

Yes, Molitor and Yount were contemporaries, and they do represent the same era, but it’s fundamentally the best era that the franchise has yet to enjoy. And, they’re the two HoF members who spent most / all of their careers as Brewers.

When you look at the Brewers, you have only two eras of any sort of relevance: '78 to around '88, and then '08 until possibly '14 (they’re off to a horrible start this year, and I start to suspect that their window for making the playoffs has closed). There really isn’t anyone from that 20-year “dark age” ('89 through '07) who had any long-term impact on the team, much less baseball as a whole.

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**Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/48 "2015-04-13T18:19:47Z")

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> [@Morgenstern](#):
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> SD Padres.
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> 1. Tony Gwynn. (would have made Tony #1, 2, 3 and 4 because he deserves all of the votes)
> 2. Dave Winfield.
> 3. Nate Colbert.
> 4. Randy Jones.

Trevor Hoffman?!?!?!

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**Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/49 "2015-04-13T18:51:22Z")

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> [@kenobi\_65](#):
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> As much as I adore Aaron, he was only a Brewer for two seasons, and that at the very end of his career. He’s a Milwaukee icon, and I see your point…but, to me, he belongs on the Braves’ Mount Rushmore, not the Brewers’.
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> Yes, Molitor and Yount were contemporaries, and they do represent the same era, but it’s fundamentally the best era that the franchise has yet to enjoy. And, they’re the two HoF members who spent most / all of their careers as Brewers.
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> When you look at the Brewers, you have only two eras of any sort of relevance: '78 to around '88, and then '08 until possibly '14 (they’re off to a horrible start this year, and I start to suspect that their window for making the playoffs has closed). There really isn’t anyone from that 20-year “dark age” ('89 through '07) who had any long-term impact on the team, much less baseball as a whole.

Richie Sexton 😛  
Although on a slightly more serious note you could maybe give credence to Ben Sheets…but I have no problems leaving people from those dark ages off.

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**Post date:** [April 13, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/50 "2015-04-13T20:19:41Z")

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> [@cmkeller](#):
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> Royals:
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> George Brett (duh)  
> Frank White  
> Bret Saberhagen  
> Alex Gordon
> 
> I could easily hear arguments for Willie Wilson, Dan Quisenberry, Kevin Appier and Amos Otis instead of any of those other than Brett.

Quisenberry, easily, over Alex Gordon. Quisenberry was a relief ace of aces. Gordon’s an All-Star but he’s not up that far. I just cannot see putting Gordon ahead of Quiz.

I admit this means you have four guys overlapping, but Royal glory is concentrated heavily in the ten-year window from 1976 to 1985.

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**Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/51 "2015-04-14T00:11:30Z")

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> [@markdash](#):
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> Trevor Hoffman?!?!?!

Yeah, I think it’d be Gwynn, Winfield, Hoffman and Peavy.

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**Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/52 "2015-04-14T00:43:09Z")

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> [@ZipperJJ](#):
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> No, only Thome and Omar are on [the official ballot](http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/all_star/y2015/franchise_four.jsp?c_id=cle). All the other guys you chose are on it.
> 
> I voted for:  
> Bob Feller  
> Lary Doby  
> Omar Vizquel  
> Lou Boudreau

Yes but write-ins are possible. I could possibly see Colavito making it except people as old as I, will not vote on line as much as younger people who don’t know who he is. They also won’t voter for Averill who they won’t have heard of. Lajoie and Speaker are big enough names they will recognize them.

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**Post date:** [April 14, 2015, 12:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-franchise-four-vote-whos-on-your-teams-mt-rushmore/717449/53 "2015-04-14T00:49:40Z")

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Cardinals:

The Man-no explanation needed.

Bob Gibson–dominant pitcher and fierce competitor.

Red Schoendienst–with Stan gone has become the heart and soul of this franchise.

Lou Brock–probably my weakest choice. All those stolen bases as well as being in the most lopsided trade in history count for something.

Pujols would have been a no brainer had he not left. I left Ozzie off because of his temper tantrum at the end of his career.

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RickJay:

> [@](#):
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> Quisenberry, easily, over Alex Gordon. Quisenberry was a relief ace of aces. Gordon’s an All-Star but he’s not up that far. I just cannot see putting Gordon ahead of Quiz.

I can totally hear that, but I wanted last year’s AL champs represented.

Also, given modern metrics, Gordon has more WAR than Quisenberry did.

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