# MLB Hot Stove **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 2, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494 "2017-11-02T14:13:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/241 "2017-12-15T15:24:52Z")
> [@OldGuy](#): > > For the Indians > C Steve O’Neill or Luke Sewell > 1B Hal Trotsky > 2B Nap Lajoie > SS Lou Boudreau > 3B Al Rosen > UT infield Joe Sewell > LF Manny Ramirez > CF Tris Speaker > RF Albert Belle or Rocky Colavito > UT outfield Larry Doby (who perhaps should replace Manny) > DH Jim Thome > Starting Pitchers: Bob Feller, Bob Lemon, Addie Joss, Sam McDowell, Corey Kluber. > Relief: Mike Garcia, Mel Harder > Closer: Jose Mesa I’d drop Sam McDowell for Cy Young and put Vizquel in for Sewell. And I would drop your closer for Cody Allen (or Bob Wickman, or my Aunt Martha…) ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/242 "2017-12-15T15:40:52Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Where’s Fred Lynn? > OK, why Youk over Dom DiMaggio? Where’s Fred Lynn? > Seems like Dwight Evans is a little low. He was better than Rice. I know Rice was a Yankee killer but Evans was a everybody beater. Also where’s Fred Lynn? Yeah, I could probably squeeze Fred Lynn around 22 or so. That might have been an oversight. And you can make a very strong argument for Dom over Youk, Greenwell or Wakefield. But actually, the guy I felt the worst about leaving out of my top 25 was Jason Veritek. If I actually did like RickJay and made a real list with logical explanations and everything, it might look a little different. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/243 "2017-12-15T16:05:40Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Sorry, dude, but this makes no sense at all. > > Quiz pitched more innings, had a lower ERA, a higher peak, and helped the Royals into the playoffs four times, winning the World Series in 1985. Yeah, that makes more sense. I was thinking that Monty had more good years, but Quiz’s peak was more better than I’d realized, plus he did contribute to the championships. ---
**Author:** ![jaycat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jaycat/32/3015_2.png) [@jaycat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jaycat)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/244 "2017-12-15T16:24:03Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Yastrzemski batted .350 in the 1975 postseason. In the 1967 World Series, following one of the ten greatest seasons a major league baseball player has ever had, he batted .400 with three home runs. > > In the 1978 playoff game, of couse… oh, right, he went 2 for 5 with a home run. > > I’d say the guy could hit in the clutch. . . . Thank you for correcting me. All I remember are those game-ending pop-ups with guys on base. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/245 "2017-12-15T18:51:19Z")
Angels sign Cozart Phillies sign Santana Excellent deal for the Angels. What an excellent defensive infield they will have and a great boost over what they had at 3rd last season. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/246 "2017-12-15T19:29:20Z")
Reports are that Santana was 3x $20m. Seems like a pretty decent deal for ages 32-34 seasons. Good for the Phillies. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/247 "2017-12-15T20:01:53Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Reports are that Santana was 3x $20m. Seems like a pretty decent deal for ages 32-34 seasons. Good for the Phillies. I agree. Who ends up with Moose? Surely he won’t end up getting the sort of contract he expected. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/248 "2017-12-15T20:08:52Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Reports are that Santana was 3x $20m. Seems like a pretty decent deal for ages 32-34 seasons. Good for the Phillies. Sounds a little rich to me. Makes me think Scott Boras is grinning ear to ear with the best two remaining free agents being his clients, JD Martinez and Eric Hosmer. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/249 "2017-12-15T22:20:35Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Reports are that Santana was 3x $20m. Seems like a pretty decent deal for ages 32-34 seasons. Good for the Phillies. Yeah, the MLB Network is reporting the Santana deal is 3 years/$60 million ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/250 "2017-12-15T22:37:49Z")
Do the Red Sox have the pieces to trade for Abreu or will they pay Martinez 125 million for 5 years? Ya know they’re going to get a slugger somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/251 "2017-12-15T22:56:40Z")
I’m guessing JD will get no more than 4 years and about 108 mil. Besides the Red Sox, where is the market for him at his price? Boston has to make a take it or leave it offer or end up bidding against themselves. ---
**Author:** ![OldGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/3bc359/32.png) [@OldGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2017, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/252 "2017-12-15T23:25:11Z")
> [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](#): > > I’d drop Sam McDowell for Cy Young and put Vizquel in for Sewell. And I would drop your closer for Cody Allen (or Bob Wickman, or my Aunt Martha…) You’re right on Vizquel, and in a few years Lindor might be in there as the starting SS with Ramirez as the UT man. I’ve never known how good vs how durable Cy Young was. And I know Mesa blew the '97 series, but boy in '95 he was untouchable. Perhaps I put too much weight on a single season. Honestly, I’m not sure how good Cody is. I’m always nervous when he’s closing. Wickman was during a time I couldn’t follow the Indians. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/253 "2017-12-16T00:00:44Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > I’m guessing JD will get no more than 4 years and about 108 mil. Besides the Red Sox, where is the market for him at his price? Boston has to make a take it or leave it offer or end up bidding against themselves. That’s 4 years at 27 million per. I’m sure they’d be ecstatic to get that over the 25 per for 5 I was suggesting. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/254 "2017-12-16T00:03:35Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > That’s 4 years at 27 million per. I’m sure they’d be ecstatic to get that over the 25 per for 5 I was suggesting. Yeah, his injury history and poor defense should mean fewer years and more dollars. The Giants are looking to dump Pence and Moore salaries. Could be end up there? Terrible move if it is the Giants because he will have to play in the field in the cold weather. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/255 "2017-12-16T19:47:21Z")
Reports are CC Sabathia signs with the Yanks for 1 year $10m. Woot! ETA and [just breaking](http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/559279/dodgers-acquire-matt-kemp-in-five-player-deal?ls=roto:ATL:topheadlines): > [@](#): > > Dodgers have acquired outfielder Matt Kemp from the Braves in exchange for Adrian Gonzalez, Scott Kazmir, Brandon McCarthy, Charlie Culberson and cash considerations. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/256 "2017-12-16T20:14:27Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > ETA and [just breaking](http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/mlb/559279/dodgers-acquire-matt-kemp-in-five-player-deal?ls=roto:ATL:topheadlines): Huh? This is the strangest darn trade I have heard of. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/257 "2017-12-16T20:47:11Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Huh? This is the strangest darn trade I have heard of. Reading up on it this seems to be a salary dump to get under the luxury tax threshold prior to 2018. Kemp is expected to be released or traded. That makes more sense. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/258 "2017-12-16T21:32:10Z")
Gonzalez already said to be released; during the off-season players can’t be released during the off-season. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2017, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/259 "2017-12-16T21:55:52Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Reading up on it this seems to be a salary dump to get under the luxury tax threshold prior to 2018. Kemp is expected to be released or traded. > > That makes more sense. I had the same initial reaction, and reached the same conclusion after more reading. It really was a very good move. Lots of salary gone without losing much productive talent. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/260 "2017-12-19T21:15:45Z")
The Red Sox surprisingly decided to stick with Mitch Moreland. So it looks like Hosmer is not an option. JD Martinez is still in play, but does not want to just DH. Unless the Sox trade JBJ to open an OF spot, that’s what he’d mostly do in Boston. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494.md?page=14)