# MLB Hot Stove **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 2, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494 "2017-11-02T14:13:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/141 "2017-12-07T19:56:38Z")
The odds of Palmiero being anything better than “profoundly embarrassing and cringe-worthy” are, at best, ten million to one. If he in fact has “no doubt” he can do it, he is suffering from some sort of brain damage or mental illness. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/142 "2017-12-07T19:58:19Z")
Some spring training stunt perhaps? Or maybe he has a book coming out? ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/143 "2017-12-07T20:06:29Z")
Or he’s run out of money, and this is the only thing he knows. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/144 "2017-12-07T21:49:04Z")
It’s been stated by some that this would “reset” his Hall of Fame eligibility. He’s fallen off the ballot, so the theory goes that if he plays in a game, even as a stunt, he’s back on the ballot five years later. I’m not actually sure that’s how it works. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2017, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/145 "2017-12-07T22:03:06Z")
Dee Gordon to the Mariners according to MLBTR. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/146 "2017-12-08T14:37:21Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Hicks will be 28 next year. He played very well last year, but given his health history and that it may have been a peak value year, I would think Cashman would at least listen to an offer. > > I don’t know who’s angling to get him, though. Right now the Yankees have a glut of outfielders. It was ridiculous that Clint Frazier sat the postseason out, they need to get this guy in the lineup. So of Ellsbury, Hicks, Gardner, Judge, Frazier, Austin, and Wade, who should get cut? I’m thinking Ellsbury. That still leaves five outfielders, perhaps one could DH. Don’t know how Boone will do, he certainly seems to have a good background. I do hope that the Yankees put more position players and fewer pitchers on the 25 man roster. So many times in the postseason there were spots where a pinch hitter would be nice, but there were too few bats on the bench and too many unused arms in the bullpen. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/147 "2017-12-08T14:59:44Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Right now the Yankees have a glut of outfielders. It was ridiculous that Clint Frazier sat the postseason out, they need to get this guy in the lineup. So of Ellsbury, Hicks, Gardner, Judge, Frazier, Austin, and Wade, who should get cut? I’m thinking Ellsbury. That still leaves five outfielders, perhaps one could DH. They won’t cut Ellsbury, they’ll keep trying to trade him and then make him the 4th outfielder/DH. They won’t trade Clint or Judge of course. So if they can’t move Ellsbury, it will be either Hicks or Gardner that is moved. Austin & Wade are not worth mentioning. Neither can hit as well as the other 5 OFs. 1 of those 2 will make the team most likely as a bench player, but probably not both. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/148 "2017-12-08T16:14:18Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Right now the Yankees have a glut of outfielders. It was ridiculous that Clint Frazier sat the postseason out, they need to get this guy in the lineup. Frazier had done absolutely nothing to suggest he deserved to be on the postseason roster. He is a talented young ballplayer but you can’t win playoff games in 2017 with a guy’s potential to be good in 2020. He was the fifth best outfielder on the team. Of course the Yankees are likely best off if Ellsbury is the odd man out, but he needs to be cut, because he’s not tradeable. > [@](#): > > I do hope that the Yankees put more position players and fewer pitchers on the 25 man roster. So many times in the postseason there were spots where a pinch hitter would be nice, but there were too few bats on the bench and too many unused arms in the bullpen. I am eternally befuddled by teams carrying 12, and sometimes even 13, pitchers in the regular season. There’s nothing good about it: 1. It reduces the team’s flexibility in use of its position players, since the team is inevitably short of them 2. The 12th pitcher in the bullpen simply siphons off innings from better pitchers 3. It encourages over-use of the bullpen The thing is, though, that it’s a vicious cycle; because teams are all carrying seven or eight relief pitchers, they will load up on one inning dudes and often lack skilled swingmen and long relievers. To make do with 11 pitchers you do need at least two or three guys who can come in and pitch three or four innings when the need arises. In the playoffs, it’s even MORE silly. If you aren’t go to push your 10-11 best pitchers then, why the hell are you playing the games? ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/149 "2017-12-08T16:19:42Z")
I think Ellsbury and around $31 million is tradeable. I think once he is down to $12m per year he becomes attractive to several teams and it is still worth it to the Yankees to clear the OF logjam and save $36 million doing it. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/150 "2017-12-08T16:55:14Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Frazier had done absolutely nothing to suggest he deserved to be on the postseason roster. He is a talented young ballplayer but you can’t win playoff games in 2017 with a guy’s potential to be good in 2020. He was the fifth best outfielder on the team. The Yanks were pleasantly surprised to go this far this season. They really weren’t on the same level as the Dodgers or Astros but they gained valuable postseason experience. I would have been happier if they gave Frazier some postseason playing time even if it meant losing the ALDS. Still, some of the young players are now postseason veterans- Bird, Judge, and Sanchez come to mind. The Yankees could go much farther next year. I agree about the ridiculous number of pitchers that teams carry these days. So many times, the manager is in a position to want to pinch hit late in the game, looks at who’s left on the bench, and shakes his head in disgust. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/151 "2017-12-08T19:07:14Z")
Angels to sign Shohei. Thank you, God…and thank you Animal House thread. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/152 "2017-12-08T19:36:34Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Angels to sign Shohei. Thank you, God…and thank you Animal House thread. Wow, I am very surprised. Just a month ago I would have put Angels somewhere around 8-10th in the likeliest places Ohtani was going to end up. Also today, Brian Cashman’s deal as Yankees GM & VP is 5 years for $25m total. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/153 "2017-12-08T19:39:16Z")
Hey wait, they kicked John Coppollela out of baseball _for life?_ ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/154 "2017-12-08T19:39:55Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Wow, I am very surprised. Just a month ago I would have put Angels somewhere around 8-10th in the likeliest places Ohtani was going to end up. > Also today, Brian Cashman’s deal as Yankees GM & VP is 5 years for $25m total. I think he favored the Angels because: 1)He gets to play with Mike Trout 2)He gets to play in a huge metropolitan area but without the negative press attention of other cities 3)There is a large Japanese presence in SoCal 4)The Angels pitching staff is mostly in his age group. Now, what will Stanton decide? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/155 "2017-12-08T19:40:56Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Hey wait, they kicked John Coppollela out of baseball _for life?_ Yep. And thank you Coppo for Maiten. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/156 "2017-12-08T19:41:58Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Hey wait, they kicked John Coppollela out of baseball _for life?_ [Correct](https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-hands-braves-penalties-for-signings/c-262279086): > [@](#): > > MLB also placed Coppolella on the permanently ineligible list ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/157 "2017-12-08T20:08:33Z")
MLB Network says Stanton has said he’d approve trades to the Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers, and Astros. ETA: this was in response to **madsircool**. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/158 "2017-12-08T20:24:36Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > MLB Network says Stanton has said he’d approve trades to the Yankees, Cubs, Dodgers, and Astros. > > ETA: this was in response to **madsircool**. Thank you. Once he decides the hot stove league can truly begin. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/159 "2017-12-08T21:11:28Z")
Reports are that Otani is signing with the Angels. ETA: [ESPN link](http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/21712038) ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494/160 "2017-12-08T22:18:19Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > If the Yankees make a deal for Stanton I’ll eat my boots… I’ve got ketchup and a sharp knife. Fuck it. Get it done, CashGod. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hot-stove/800494.md?page=9)