# MLB Hotstove, or the 2024 Ohtani sweepstakes **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** baseball-mlb\ **Created:** [November 2, 2023, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492 "2023-11-02T17:48:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/81 "2023-11-18T00:46:46Z")
Yamamoto is expected to be posted Monday. Negotiations can start Tuesday. > **[Source: Yamamoto negotiations set to start Tues.](https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/38921209/yoshinobu-yamamoto-talks-mlb-teams-set-start-source-says)** > > The negotiating window for MLB teams to attempt to acquire Japanese star pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto is expected to start Tuesday, a source told ESPN. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/82 "2023-11-18T01:43:47Z")
Let the feeding frenzy commence! ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/83 "2023-11-18T04:59:02Z")
At the deadline here’s the complete non-tender list from all teams. A couple of things jumped out at me. The Mets dump Daniel Vogelbach after playing him over 100 games. Not surprising they got rid of him but I guess they don’t think he could go in a trade. The Braves dump 7. They currently only have 36 on the 40 man roster. It’s a good indication they are looking to make a lot of moves over the off season. > **[Full list of non-tendered players](https://www.mlb.com/news/non-tendered-mlb-free-agents-2023-24)** > > Each team had a deadline of 8 p.m. ET on Friday to decide whether to tender contracts to any salary arbitration-eligible players. Players not tendered a contract by the deadline became free agents, while players who were tendered a contract have... ---
**Author:** ![ThatCanadianGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5f8ce5/32.png) [@ThatCanadianGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThatCanadianGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/84 "2023-11-18T18:23:39Z")
The LV Knights team built a strong fan base because they were good from the start. They were in the Cup finals in their first year of existence and won it all last season. I don’t know if the A’s owner will do that. In his favour, he’s got four seasons to make the team better. Maybe they can be World Series hopefuls in 2028. I doubt it however and LV will inherit a bad team, as if it’s an expansion team. Fans will still come since it will be new the first few years. It may even be like the Florida teams where half the attendance cheers for the visitors. MLB has made a stupid decision in my opinion. I thought Montreal was bad but this is worse. Now that it’s been decided, who in Oakland will go see the team? In Montreal, there was talk for years that the team may move - which didn’t help attendance - and there was hope they’d stay until the end. The decision was not done and officially announced until the last home game. Their next home game would be in Washington. In Oakland, it will be, come see the team before we move to Vegas in 2028. I don’t think that’s going to go over too well. ---
**Author:** ![SwissMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e79b87/32.png) [@SwissMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SwissMan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/85 "2023-11-18T20:48:09Z")
The A’s are not going to stay in Oakland through 2027 if they are intent on moving. They will play next year at the Coliseum because they have a lease, but they will leave immediately afterward. There is speculation of where the A’s are going to play in 2025-27 while waiting for the new stadium to be completed. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/86 "2023-11-18T21:04:56Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The Raiders attendance is in the bottom fifth of the NFL, but still better than Chicago or New England. If ESPN’s numbers are to be believed, that is a product of the de facto seating capacities of their stadiums; most NFL teams are at or around 100 percent attendance Las Vegas is tied for fourth lowest at 95.9% and only Dallas and Atlanta are below 95. That said it’s hard to really figure out how they come up with those percentages or who even has a solid handle on a stadium’s capacity. Dallas AT&T is sometimes listed as 80,000, sometimes over 100,000, depending how standing room tickets are factored in. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/87 "2023-11-21T22:34:39Z")
The Draftkings odds for the Yamamoto sweepstakes: New York Mets + 220 Boston Red Sox +400 Los Angeles Dodgers +450 New York Yankees +550 Chicago Cubs +600 San Francisco Giants +900 ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/88 "2023-12-06T02:29:33Z")
Reports coming in on a rare Yankees/Red Sox trade. Alex Verdugo for some minor league pitchers. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/89 "2023-12-06T02:36:52Z")
I see Richard Fitts is one of the pitchers going to Boston. He looked really good here in half a season in 2022 (“here” being the Yankees High-A affiliate). Obviously that’s a long way from the big leagues, but I had my eye on him as a possible real deal. Guess we’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/90 "2023-12-06T03:08:35Z")
> [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](#): > > I see Richard Fitts is one of the pitchers going to Boston. He looked really good here in half a season in 2022 (“here” being the Yankees High-A affiliate). Obviously that’s a long way from the big leagues, but I had my eye on him as a possible real deal. Guess we’ll see. I saw Greg Weissert in AA. He was only ok last year when he was called up. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/91 "2023-12-06T03:37:44Z")
The Cleveland Guardians won the draft lottery and will select first in the 2024 MLB Draft. Dodgers manager Dave Roberts confirmed that the team met with Shohei Ohtani for 2-3 hours a couple of days ago, becoming the first person to divulge such information in the wake of an information blackout by Ohtani’s camp. > **[Roberts says Dodgers, Ohtani met for 2-3 hours](https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39049303/dave-roberts-dodgers-had-2-3-hour-meeting-shohei-ohtani)** > > Dave Roberts said he thinks the Dodgers' meeting with Shohei Ohtani "went well," but that the two-way superstar will ultimately end up where "he feels most comfortable." The Angels’ GM says he’s not trading Mike Trout in the offseason. 100%. > **[Angels GM: 100% that Trout not getting traded](https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39048627/angels-gm-100-mike-trout-not-getting-traded)** > > Angels general manager Perry Minasian says he's 100 percent sure that he won't trade Mike Trout. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2023, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/92 "2023-12-06T14:10:27Z")
So…where do you think Trout will end up? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/93 "2023-12-07T02:24:55Z")
It is looking like Soto is going to be a Yankee. Giving up some good prospects. It might prove costly if they can’t sign him for anything past this year. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/94 "2023-12-07T02:38:31Z")
OH GODDAMMIT. Not my Juan. [![Imgur](https://i.imgur.com/SpzgD7n.png "imgur.com") ](https://imgur.com/SpzgD7n) ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/95 "2023-12-07T02:49:19Z")
Speaking of former Nationals, Bryce Harper of the Phillies is talking about wanting an extension. Even though he’s got 8 more years left on his deal, that will take him through his age-38 season. > **[Harper eyes extension, hopes to retire with Phils](https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/39056004/phillies-bryce-harper-eyes-extension-deal-up)** > > Bryce Harper would like to get a new deal from the Phillies once the remaining eight years of his current deal are done. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/96 "2023-12-07T04:12:57Z")
Now apparently official. > **[Juan Soto trade: Yankees land star slugger from Padres in seven-player...](https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/juan-soto-trade-yankees-land-star-slugger-from-padres-in-seven-player-blockbuster/)** > > The Yankees have added one of baseball's best hitters after going 82-80 in 2023 ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/97 "2023-12-07T04:23:26Z")
Yankees doing Yankees things. I used to begrudge them for it, but at least you know they’re trying really really hard and I can’t fault them for that. I’d hope everyone running an MLB team took it that seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/98 "2023-12-07T12:02:39Z")
I thought “Yankees things” from non-Yankee fans meant buying players. They traded pitching for him. Any team could do that. I think buying players is now called “Mets things.” ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/99 "2023-12-07T12:24:02Z")
Wow, when he burst on the White Sox scene, he had all the earmarks of a budding superstar but languishing in our dysfunctional lineup ended that hope. If he goes to a good organization and has good players around him who give a damn about winning, don’t be surprised if he is resurrected and a star once again. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2023, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492/100 "2023-12-07T14:08:38Z")
So I was having this discussion online. Someone said the Yankees should have negotiated an extension with Soto before agreeing to a trade. Leaving aside the fact that Scott Boras would never allow it, isn’t that illegal? Soto was still a member of the Padres until the trade. Wouldn’t it be against the rules to negotiate with him while he is on another team? I can’t find the cite for that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-hotstove-or-the-2024-ohtani-sweepstakes/992492.md?page=6)