# MLB: July 2015 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 1, 2015, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972 "2015-07-01T18:07:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/141 "2015-07-29T03:40:19Z")
Pardon me. Not Griffey, but Jay Buhner (vs. Red Sox): [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/_lTsDrMeF-I/maxresdefault.jpg "Jay Buhner leaps and TUMBLES over the fence to rob a home run") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lTsDrMeF-I) ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/142 "2015-07-29T03:41:15Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Why TF did he jump over the wall? That was his mistake. Are the walls in Fenway that poorly padded? No reason to go over the wall. Speaking as a Mariners fan who has watched Ken Griffey, Jr. making catches just like that and then crashing into the wall while maintaining possession of the ball. > > **Dude looked like he was trying to make the ESPN highlight reel.** He sure did that. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/143 "2015-07-29T03:52:53Z")
I was listening to that Mariners/Red Sox game on the radio, and the main point the announcers made was the fact that Buhner caught the ball as he flipped over the wall, and then returned to the field of play _with the ball in his glove_. _That_ is what made it an out instead of a home run. Your boy dropped the ball after he _jumped_ over the wall, and returned to the field with an empty glove. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/144 "2015-07-29T03:57:44Z")
Billy Beane seems bound and determined to turn the A’s into a minor league team. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/145 "2015-07-29T12:19:23Z")
> [@Mister\_Rik](#): > > Are the walls in Fenway that poorly padded? They’re green-painted galvanized steel sheet wrapped over concrete. So, yes. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/146 "2015-07-29T14:01:18Z")
I can’t believe LaTroy Hawkins is still in the league. I watched him pitch 22 years ago in Single A. I hope the Jays do get a starting pitcher. I’d like to see them do well this year, since the Red Sox are a dumpster fire by now. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/147 "2015-07-29T15:07:41Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > They’re green-painted galvanized steel sheet wrapped over concrete. So, yes. Millions for Masterson, Ramirez, Napoli, and Porcello, but not one red cent for padding? Glad they’ve got their priorities straight. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/148 "2015-07-29T15:21:20Z")
But the rebounds are more predictable. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/149 "2015-07-29T15:21:33Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Billy Beane seems bound and determined to turn the A’s into a minor league team. I remember saying this before 2013, and then they won two division titles. Of course, much of Oakland’s plan involves getting out of Oakland, so who the hell knows what the ownership (of which Beane is a member) is up to. ---
**Author:** ![Troutdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4af34b/32.png) [@Troutdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troutdude)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/150 "2015-07-29T16:17:05Z")
Another Jays fan here and you can colour me confused by the deal. I have to think AA still has something simmering on the back burner that he’s hoping will come to a boil. Travis re-aggravating that shoulder last night could alter plans and let’s hope Bautista only had a cramp and not a strain. If they’re both gone for any length of time you can likely forget a late run, even if Anthopolous comes up with another arm. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/151 "2015-07-29T18:53:43Z")
Dodgers get Mat Latos and Mike Morse from Miami for three warm bodies. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/152 "2015-07-29T19:50:20Z")
> [@Troutdude](#): > > Another Jays fan here and you can colour me confused by the deal. I have to think AA still has something simmering on the back burner that he’s hoping will come to a boil. > > Travis re-aggravating that shoulder last night could alter plans and let’s hope Bautista only had a cramp and not a strain. If they’re both gone for any length of time you can likely forget a late run, even if Anthopolous comes up with another arm. To be honest, the more I think about the Tulowitzki trade the more disappointed I think people are going to be. He is being hailed as a virtual Willie Mays, and he isn’t. The likelihood Tulowitzki can turn the team around is very small. Toronto is 50-51. Unless they sweep the Yankees in all 13 remaining games with them they are not going to win the division. Practically speaking, how many wins will a team need to make the win card game? Let’s guess 87, that being, IIRC, what it took last year. Or maybe it was 88, but let’s say 87. That means Toronto has to go 37-24 the rest of the way. (Or 38-24, to make the ALDS, and the 38th has to be the last one.) Does this look like a team that is going to play better than .600 ball just because they upgraded the glove at short? If they added a Grade A starter I’d STILL be a bit skeptical, but I’d say the likelihood of a .620 run was at least reasonably possible. Right now I find it very unlikely. ---
**Author:** ![Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ulf\_the\_Unwashed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulf_the_Unwashed)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/153 "2015-07-29T21:21:41Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > To be honest, the more I think about the Tulowitzki trade the more disappointed I think people are going to be. He is being hailed as a virtual Willie Mays, and he isn’t. > > The likelihood Tulowitzki can turn the team around is very small. Toronto is 50-51. Unless they sweep the Yankees in all 13 remaining games with them they are not going to win the division. Practically speaking, how many wins will a team need to make the win card game? Let’s guess 87, that being, IIRC, what it took last year. Or maybe it was 88, but let’s say 87. That means Toronto has to go 37-24 the rest of the way. (Or 38-24, to make the ALDS, and the 38th has to be the last one.) Does this look like a team that is going to play better than .600 ball just because they upgraded the glove at short? > > If they added a Grade A starter I’d STILL be a bit skeptical, but I’d say the likelihood of a .620 run was at least reasonably possible. Right now I find it very unlikely. On the bright(er) side for the Jays, the Twins are just 2.5 games ahead of them in the race for the second wild card (and have been, I think, a sub-.500 team since mid-May). And the Jays are essentially even with teams like the Orioles, the Sox, and the Rays, none of whom seem any more of a threat to play .600 ball the rest of the way than the Jays do. I agree that Tulowitzki probably isn’t quite what Toronto needs, but I’m not sure who is a better choice to win those 87 games than the Blue Jays are. Who knows, maybe it’ll take just a little bit more than .500 to make that wild card game… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2015, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/154 "2015-07-29T23:08:32Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Dodgers get Mat Latos and Mike Morse from Miami for three warm bodies. Expect Morse to never get a chance to wear Dodger blue. He’ll be packaged and sent to some other team by tomorrow. Unless the Dodgers make a stupendous move and package Puig for somebody like Hamels. In other news, Kershaw is a scratch for today’s game with hip troubles. Bolsinger will get the start instead, with Kershaw leading off against the Angels on Friday. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/155 "2015-07-30T00:48:49Z")
Impressive performance by Lester today with 14 K’s. Still the Cubs almost managed to choke it away, squeaking out a 3-2 win. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/156 "2015-07-30T01:50:35Z")
Tulowitzki hit a homer on his first at bat for the Jays. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/157 "2015-07-30T03:14:36Z")
The Mat Latos to LA deal is now reaching something like 4 teams and 10 players, including David Price. Hamels is going to the Rangers in a separate deal. Zach Wheeler goes to Milwaukee for Carlos Gomez. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/158 "2015-07-30T03:37:53Z")
And now reports are that the Carlos Gomez deal will not happen ---
**Author:** ![Troutdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4af34b/32.png) [@Troutdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troutdude)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/159 "2015-07-30T04:56:52Z")
Tulowitzki[made a splash](http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/tulowitzkis-debut-shows-why-jays-made-the-trade/) with his new team. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972/160 "2015-07-30T13:33:44Z")
I’m always amused when an routine error turns a whole team into a bunch of flailing seven year olds and the batter gets a [Little League home run.](http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/andrew-mccutchen-drives-in-three-runs-on-chaotic-little-league-homer-224508994.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-july-2015/723972.md?page=9)