# MLB: May 2011

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379>\
**Category:** The Game Room\
**Created:** [May 1, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379 "2011-05-01T13:14:50Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 10

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**Author:** ![Hawkeyeop](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/958977/32.png) [@Hawkeyeop](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hawkeyeop)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/181 "2011-05-23T11:16:29Z")

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Going from memory but I believe wright has one more year on his deal past this one and a reasonable team option after that.

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**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/182 "2011-05-23T13:08:08Z")

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> [@Hawkeyeop](#):
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> Going from memory but I believe wright has one more year on his deal past this one and a reasonable team option after that.

Semi [pertinent](http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6577486), but still awkward.

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**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/183 "2011-05-23T13:18:13Z")

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> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> I don’t know how many heartbreaker 1 run losses a fella can take!
> 
> We had the lead (again) and lost it (again)!!:mad:

This Royals fan will see your “had the lead and lost it” and raise you a “exciting five-run comeback only to drop it in extra innings.”

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**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/184 "2011-05-23T13:55:29Z")

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The Giants have now won 10 straight at home; they’re 11-0 in 1-run games at home; and have 7 walk-off wins. :eek:

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**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/185 "2011-05-23T16:32:07Z")

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[QUOTE=FoiesGrasIsEvil]  
What is this recent uproar over interleague play again?  
[/QUOTE]  
As a Cardinals fan I have to say I’m loving interleague play this year. We get the Royals 6 times while Cincy gets Cleveland 6 times. St. Louis doesn’t play the Yankees or Red Sox - the Reds get both (IIRC). Good times, good times…

When your boys lose the division by 3 games this year, **FoiesGras** , perhaps you will change your tune about how little those 18 games matter.

[QUOTE=cmkeller]  
This Royals fan will see your “had the lead and lost it” and raise you a “exciting five-run comeback only to drop it in extra innings.”  
[/QUOTE]  
On two bases-loaded walks…

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**Author:** ![MentalGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/439d5e/32.png) [@MentalGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MentalGuy)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/186 "2011-05-23T18:10:13Z")

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> [@Jas09](#):
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> As a Cardinals fan I have to say I’m loving interleague play this year. We get the Royals 6 times while Cincy gets Cleveland 6 times. St. Louis doesn’t play the Yankees or Red Sox - the Reds get both (IIRC). Good times, good times…
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> When your boys lose the division by 3 games this year, **FoiesGras** , perhaps you will change your tune about how little those 18 games matter.

The Reds don’t play the Red Sox this year. They do play the Yankess, Blue Jays, Rays, and Orioles. (And 6 games against Cleveland, already losing 3 of them.)

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**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/187 "2011-05-23T18:18:12Z")

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The Mariners are out of the cellar!

Repeat! The Mariners are out of the cellar!

5-game win streak!

More impressive: The starting pitchers have gone **nine** consecutive games pitching at least seven innings and giving up 2 or fewer runs, something not done since the 1988 SF Giants did it.

And we have our center fielder back.

Huzzah!

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**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/188 "2011-05-23T18:41:43Z")

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> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#):
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> Semi [pertinent](http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6577486), but still awkward.

\<speechless\>

When does football season start?

Oh, that’s right… it probably won’t.

Geh.

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**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/189 "2011-05-23T19:10:49Z")

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> [@KennerTheGreat](#):
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> You (and **Fred Garvin** ) do realize that Bautista signed a five-year deal in the offseason, yes? No free agency for him until after 2015.

And even if he was a free agent you get two first round draft picks. If you wanted to trade him to the Royals - who are not exactly tearing it up so I don’t see how he’s any more valuable to them - they would have to provide at least two prospects who are equal in value to the likely outcome of two first round picks, _plus enough value to offset the value Bautista delivers to the Jays._ Since Bautista is under contract until 2015, this isn’t like the Halladay deal where it’s prospects now or draft picks ina f ew months; now they’re trading away Bautista’s actual value over the prime years of his career, whcih is considerable. Even if Bautista regresses a fair amount he will still likely be a valuable player in a few years when the Jays will be (really, have to plan to be) a serious contender.

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**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/190 "2011-05-23T21:41:55Z")

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Chase Utley returns tonight to Phillies just in time to crush his enemies, see them driven before him and to hear the lamentations of their women. Or maybe just put up something better than the .550 OPS, the team was getting out of his substitutes in his absence.

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**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/191 "2011-05-23T21:42:59Z")

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Famous quote from Utley the Barbarian? 🙂

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**Author:** ![DxZero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@DxZero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DxZero)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/192 "2011-05-23T22:42:55Z")

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> [@jsc1953](#):
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> Famous quote from Utley the Barbarian? 🙂

Director’s Cut version

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [May 23, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/193 "2011-05-23T23:44:29Z")

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> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#):
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> It’s a contract year for Wright and Reyes, no? Presumably, they’ll be able to sign one of them. Reyes as a Met doesn’t equal Pavano as a Yankee. Pavano was a complete and total disaster. Reyes has shown some incredible value, albeit with some injury risk.

I meant signing him as a free agent or to an extension is likely to be on par with Pavano level disaster. The guy is an injury waiting to happen and some team is likely to give him too big of a deal.

> [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](#):
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> Semi [pertinent](http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=6577486), but still awkward.

Good Lord, Wilpon is an idiot. What he wants to emulate 80s Steinbrenner now?

I guess Wright might be available in trade after all.

Though as mentioned, this is not a contract year for Wright.

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**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/194 "2011-05-24T00:26:18Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> I meant signing him as a free agent or to an extension is likely to be on par with Pavano level disaster. The guy is an injury waiting to happen and some team is likely to give him too big of a deal.

Sure, he comes with some injury risk, but he’s also has a huge upside at a position that is not exactly brimming with free-agent run production.

His 128 OPS+ this year, combined with a league-topping 17 SB (and only 3 CS) suggest that, at the very least, the effects of his previous injuries have well and truly been put behind him. As Jay Jaffe observed at Baseball Prospectus today, he’s a prime target for any number of clubs in the hunt for a pennant this year, especially given Wilpon’s recent outburst. And he’ll only be 29 next year, meaning that even if one assumes that he will lose some time to injury, he will still be a very valuable free agent shortstop.

Of course, no-one should go crazy over him. I mean, i doubt that he will get the sort of money that Derek Jeter is being paid to slug .333. 🙂

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**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/195 "2011-05-24T00:54:37Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> Good Lord, Wilpon is an idiot. What he wants to emulate 80s Steinbrenner now?
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> I guess Wright might be available in trade after all.
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> Though as mentioned, this is not a contract year for Wright.

I can’t. I just… I can’t.

SHUT UP, FRED.

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**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/196 "2011-05-24T00:57:05Z")

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> [@What\_Exit](#):
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> Good Lord, Wilpon is an idiot. What he wants to emulate 80s Steinbrenner now?

I could not believe the things I was reading. Boy, that’s going to make Queens an attractive destination for prospective free agents.

Here’s my personal philosophy on criticizing co-workers in public; SHUT UP. Nothing good ever comes of it.

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**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/197 "2011-05-24T01:09:02Z")

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> [@mhendo](#):
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> Sure, he comes with some injury risk, but he’s also has a huge upside at a position that is not exactly brimming with free-agent run production.
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> His 128 OPS+ this year, combined with a league-topping 17 SB (and only 3 CS) suggest that, at the very least, the effects of his previous injuries have well and truly been put behind him. As Jay Jaffe observed at Baseball Prospectus today, he’s a prime target for any number of clubs in the hunt for a pennant this year, especially given Wilpon’s recent outburst. And he’ll only be 29 next year, meaning that even if one assumes that he will lose some time to injury, he will still be a very valuable free agent shortstop.
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> Of course, no-one should go crazy over him. I mean, i doubt that he will get the sort of money that Derek Jeter is being paid to slug .333. 🙂

Jeter is clearly overpaid vs. remaining talent but he is getting paid for being Jeter. He is still the #1 player in terms of marketing. Google, it I did a few weeks ago.

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**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/198 "2011-05-24T02:58:10Z")

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> [@Jas09](#):
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> As a Cardinals fan I have to say I’m loving interleague play this year. We get the Royals 6 times while Cincy gets Cleveland 6 times. St. Louis doesn’t play the Yankees or Red Sox - the Reds get both (IIRC). Good times, good times…
> 
> When your boys lose the division by 3 games this year, **FoiesGras** , perhaps you will change your tune about how little those 18 games matter.
> 
> On two bases-loaded walks…

I never said those games don’t matter. They count just as much as all the others. What I _am_ saying is that you just play to win no matter whom you play. You think you’re a good team and you draw a tough interleague schedule? Tough shit…win the games.

Unfortunately, my Reds are not following this philosophy right now.  
:mad:

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**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/199 "2011-05-24T03:12:09Z")

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Some exciting games going on this evening.

Just watched the Indians come back to beat the Red Sox, and now Houston has tied the Dodgers in the bottom of the 9th.

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**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\
**Post date:** [May 24, 2011, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2011/580379/200 "2011-05-24T03:18:57Z")

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> [@mhendo](#):
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> and now Houston has tied the Dodgers in the bottom of the 9th.

And now they have won it. :mad:

Actually that mad smilie is a bit out of place, I’m not really mad, but we don’t have a hopelessly frustrated smilie so I guess it will do.

I don’t know what is to be done about the bullpen situation, but it’s as big a problem as the lack of real offensive depth.

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