# MLB: May 2016 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 2, 2016, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688 "2016-05-02T17:33:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![kayT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayt/32/3633_2.png) [@kayT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayT)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/181 "2016-05-17T21:28:16Z")
I don’t see any reason why the pitchers should get suspensions. They don’t suspend people for hitting batters; they just eject them. And Bautista did nothing to be suspended for either; Odor saw to that. And eight games seems about right. “Self control issues” is possible but I can name a few others that were on the field during that brawl who had some issues, like the Jays manager who came back on the field after being ejected. What should his punishment be? ETA I see he got three games. Hope he gets fined too. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/182 "2016-05-17T21:50:42Z")
Hm, MLB doesn’t seem to have officially announced anything yet, so the information is coming out in pieces. ESPN now says that Bautista has received a 1 game suspension (so has Elvis Andrus apparently). Aaron Sanchez received a 3-game suspension last season for an intentional HBP last season, which is why I was expecting something for the pitchers. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/183 "2016-05-17T22:39:59Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Interestingly, the Cubs have signed Joe Nathan to a major league deal. He’s recovering from his 2nd Tommy John surgery. Theo made those kinds of signings regularly in Boston, too. Occasionally a guy with a fine record before his major injury will recover enough to be a solid performer again, and if he doesn’t, he didn’t really cost anything anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/184 "2016-05-18T00:00:53Z")
So, I usually don’t feel bad for the competition when I’m rooting for my team. But the last game and a half of watching the Indians beat up on the Reds is making me feel pretty awful for Cincinnati fans. After a 15-6 loss last night, the Reds are currently down 10-0 in the 5th inning, and it has looked uglier than that, even. I hope the Tribe gets the sweep, but damn. ETA: make that 11-0. The Reds’ pitcher has just given up three walks in a row with the bases loaded. Just…ouch. ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/185 "2016-05-18T04:31:04Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > 77 strikeouts, 4 base on balls. The guy’s insane. Make that 88 and 4. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/186 "2016-05-18T14:49:12Z")
It’s the beard. Kershaw’s got a Sampson thing going with the beard. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/187 "2016-05-18T14:50:57Z")
> [@ElvisL1ves](#): > > Theo made those kinds of signings regularly in Boston, too. Occasionally a guy with a fine record before his major injury will recover enough to be a solid performer again, and if he doesn’t, he didn’t really cost anything anyway. What surprised me about it is that it wasn’t a minor league deal. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/188 "2016-05-18T15:45:25Z")
> [@BlankSlate](#): > > I think at least 15 games would have been more appropriate, maybe ever 20 or 25. Odor punched someone else when he was in the minors. Dude’s got self-control issues. Precedent matters, and giving someone 25 games for being in a fight would be very unprecedented. Bautista absolutely should have been suspended, for a few games at least; he slid with the intent of injuring Odor, as is obvious to anyone watching the play, and he was starting the fight with Odor just as much as Odor was; Odor is just a faster punch. ---
**Author:** ![quimper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/7c8e57/32.png) [@quimper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/quimper)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/189 "2016-05-18T17:09:41Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > [Fredi Gonzalez out as Braves’ manager](http://m.mlb.com/news/article/178615590/braves-dismiss-fredi-gonzalez). > [@](#): > > Finding out you’ve been fired is never easy, but imagine finding out the way that Braves manager Fredi Gonzalez did late Monday. > An hour or so after the Braves’ 8-5 series-opening loss to the Pirates, a person familiar with the situation said Gonzalez received an email notifying him of his scheduled flight to Atlanta on Tuesday afternoon. > > That was a bad sign, since the four-game series in Pittsburgh runs through Thursday. > > [http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/baseball/gonzalez-firing-took-an-awkward-turn-late-monday/nrPMM/](http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/baseball/gonzalez-firing-took-an-awkward-turn-late-monday/nrPMM/) At least they paid for his ticket home? ---
**Author:** ![Asimovian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asimovian/32/172_2.png) [@Asimovian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asimovian)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/190 "2016-05-18T17:14:54Z")
> [@quimper](#): > > At least they paid for his ticket home? That’s a pretty special brand of fucked up, right there. ETA: I mean about the plane ticket, not your comment. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/191 "2016-05-18T17:22:19Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Precedent matters, and giving someone 25 games for being in a fight would be very unprecedented. > > Bautista absolutely should have been suspended, for a few games at least; he slid with the intent of injuring Odor, as is obvious to anyone watching the play, and he was starting the fight with Odor just as much as Odor was; Odor is just a faster punch. Yeah, I don’t care about precedent. That kind of punch can do Rudy Tomjanovich-level damage. Of course we live in a society that not only tolerates, but revels, in violence, so whatever. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/192 "2016-05-18T19:16:58Z")
The Frisco RoughRiders, the minor league team where Rougned Odor first punched an opponent, are selling a new drink - Rougie’s Red Punch. ---
**Author:** ![Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d9b06d/32.png) [@Boozahol\_Squid\_P.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boozahol_Squid_P.I)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/193 "2016-05-18T19:31:22Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > So, I usually don’t feel bad for the competition when I’m rooting for my team. But the last game and a half of watching the Indians beat up on the Reds is making me feel pretty awful for Cincinnati fans. After a 15-6 loss last night, the Reds are currently down 10-0 in the 5th inning, and it has looked uglier than that, even. I hope the Tribe gets the sweep, but damn. > > ETA: make that 11-0. The Reds’ pitcher has just given up three walks in a row with the bases loaded. Just…ouch. I’m another Indians fan, and I’ll agree, that game was ugly. In fact, it might have been the worst game I’ve ever seen. I couldn’t even get excited by the fact that the other guys’ bullpen was getting used up in a certain loss, because it was a lousy interleague game. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/194 "2016-05-18T19:35:40Z")
I thought Odor would get 5 games, so I’d say 8 is about right. And I think one could argue that violence in sports is much more frowned upon these days than even a decade ago. Certainly more so than 30-50 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/195 "2016-05-18T19:48:54Z")
> [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](#): > > I thought Odor would get 5 games, so I’d say 8 is about right. And I think one could argue that violence in sports is much more frowned upon these days than even a decade ago. Certainly more so than 30-50 years ago. [Marichal](http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13463881/juan-marichal-hit-john-roseboro-bat-ugly-baseball-brawl-50-years-ago) got 10 games for clubbing Roseboro _with his bat._ > [@](#): > > 1. Marichal’s penalty seems paltry by today’s standards > > Marichal was ejected and Roseboro left the game injured (he would need 14 stitches to close the gash on his head). Roseboro would miss the next two games before returning to action.\*\* Marichal was suspended for eight game days (10 games because of doubleheaders)\*\* and fined a then-record $1,750 (which translates to about $15,000 today). Roseboro would sue Marichal for $110,000 in damages, and the case was eventually settled with Roseboro receiving $7,500. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/196 "2016-05-18T21:49:43Z")
Well, I got to spend my 50th birthday yesterday listening to my Mariners clobber the Orioles, 10-0 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/197 "2016-05-18T23:31:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Marichal](http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/13463881/juan-marichal-hit-john-roseboro-bat-ugly-baseball-brawl-50-years-ago) got 10 games for clubbing Roseboro _with his bat._ Chris Davis got 25 games for taking Adderall. ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/198 "2016-05-19T02:22:42Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > That’s a pretty special brand of fucked up, right there. > > ETA: I mean about the plane ticket, not your comment. Reminds me of the [story](http://www.businessinsider.com/mike-golic-and-the-cutthroat-nfl-2016-5) about NFL player Mike Golic getting released by Miami. ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/199 "2016-05-19T03:02:32Z")
> [@Asimovian](#): > > That’s a pretty special brand of fucked up, right there. > > ETA: I mean about the plane ticket, not your comment. Apparently it was an automated email. So still a crappy thing to happen to him, but it wasn’t deliberate cruelty or anything. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [May 19, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688/200 "2016-05-19T13:48:15Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > Reminds me of the [story](http://www.businessinsider.com/mike-golic-and-the-cutthroat-nfl-2016-5) about NFL player Mike Golic getting released by Miami. Right, at least Fredi still gets paid. I’ve heard Golic tell that story before. When your expected annual income goes from $650k to zero in a matter of minutes, I don’t care who you are, that hurts. And don’t think MLB or any other sport (or any other business, for that matter), wouldn’t be just as cut throat as the NFL if they could. The NFL has a terribly weak players’ union and a bad agreement with the owners. That’s what happens when your average career lasts 3 years. You make bad agreements for the here and now without much concern for the future. ETA: I understand Fredi, as a manager, is not part of the players’ union, but my point stands. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-may-2016/753688.md?page=11)