# MLB: Postseason 2015 **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [September 30, 2015, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030 "2015-09-30T13:04:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/361 "2015-10-13T20:32:43Z")
> [@Thing\_Fish](#): > > Discuss: If the Cubs win this series, to what extent does that reverse the polarity of the Cubs-Cards dynamic? I think it would be quite significant if the Cubs go on to win the Series, much like how the Red Sox killed the Yankee monster in 2004. Obviously the disparity in overall World Series wins isn’t going away in the foreseeable future, but for the Cubs to go through the Cardinals to win it all would would make it feel like a new era in which the Cards are the have-nots and all that came before is ancient history. Nobody thought of the Yankees has “have-nots” after 2004. They won the World Series just five years later. How people perceive the Cardinals and Cubs is an independent thing from their performance against each other, which is a third entity, really. Even outside of the Midwest, where the Cardinals-Cubs rivalry is something people generally don’t know or care about, the Cardinals are perceived as being drenched in glory and the Cubs are the symbol of generation-spanning futility. ---
**Author:** ![Thing\_Fish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@Thing\_Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing_Fish)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/362 "2015-10-13T20:56:43Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Nobody thought of the Yankees has “have-nots” after 2004. They won the World Series just five years later. > > How people perceive the Cardinals and Cubs is an independent thing from their performance against each other, which is a third entity, really. Even outside of the Midwest, where the Cardinals-Cubs rivalry is something people generally don’t know or care about, the Cardinals are perceived as being drenched in glory and the Cubs are the symbol of generation-spanning futility. Right, and I’m asking how much you think a win in this series would shift that perception. My take is that it depends largely on what the Cubs go on to achieve this postseason. I was at Yankee Stadium in early 2005 and they were selling t-shirts graphically depicting the number of World Series won by the Sox and Yankees since 1918 (27-1 or whatever it was). I saw few people wearing them, and I think it was because they seemed like a pathetic effort to deny the psychological impact of the previous year’s playoffs. If the Sox had merely won the Series while the Yankees were having an off year, I think such a shirt would have annoyed Sox fans. As it was, the only reaction I can imagine them having is gleeful giggling and chortling “Yeah, but we own your asses NOW!”. ETA: Holy Schwarber, the game has started! Gotta get offline and hope I can remain unspoiled until I get home to my DVR tonight. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/363 "2015-10-13T21:23:52Z")
I still don’t think there necessarily was a “have not” mentality for the Yankees after 2004. It’s just that many people considered the Red Sox to be “Yankees-lite”. I mean no one can really kill the Yankees monster. Even in the 1980s people hated the Yankees because they were the Yankees - even though they were incredibly mediocre. And Yankees fans still look down on the Red Sox. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/364 "2015-10-13T21:40:12Z")
> [@Club\_33](#): > > They are this year. We just used our number 3 and 4 pitcher in yesterday’s game and we don’t really have a #5. > > Of course, that wasn’t how it was supposed to be. McCarthy and Ryu would be a great 3 and 4, but neither was healthy enough to pitch this year, so we are stuck with what we’ve got. If Kershaw should get in trouble early tonight, what are the chances that we see Greinke in this one? Would Mattingly gamble everything on a win today, if it meant that he’d have neither of his aces available to start Game 5? ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/365 "2015-10-13T23:31:00Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > If Kershaw should get in trouble early tonight, what are the chances that we see Greinke in this one? Would Mattingly gamble everything on a win today, if it meant that he’d have neither of his aces available to start Game 5? I highly doubt it, considering we used two starters last night. I don’t think there is anyone left who could give us even 3 quality innings and I don’t think we would survive a bullpen game. The Mets are going to go with one of their heavyweights for game 5, so we need at least 6, preferably 7 innings from Kershaw in my opinion. Hatcher and Janson can close it out. Likewise with Greinke in game five. I honestly see no other way. ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2015, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/366 "2015-10-13T23:33:34Z")
Fuck, the damn Cubs are going to win. I hate the Cubs. I hate the Cards as well, but I hate the Cubs more. Also, fuck the Dodgers. Go Mets! And for a Braves fan, that is a very hard thing to say. :p:p ---
**Author:** ![stillownedbysetters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/41988e/32.png) [@stillownedbysetters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stillownedbysetters)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/367 "2015-10-14T00:10:02Z")
CUBS WIN!!! Bird is NOT the word!!! And once more, just for leftfield6…CUBS WIN!!! ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/368 "2015-10-14T00:13:14Z")
I live a block away from Wrigley, the whole area is insane and this is just the NLDS ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/369 "2015-10-14T00:21:45Z")
> [@leftfield6](#): > > Fuck, the damn Cubs are going to win. I hate the Cubs. Yeah, but now we are guaranteed to see a World Series champion that hasn’t been seen since at least 1993, if ever. And a team-vs.-team matchup that we have definitely never seen. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/370 "2015-10-14T00:32:14Z")
The odds of using Greinke is basically zero, Greinke doesn’t really do short rest. He’s much more of a creature of habit than Kershaw is and doesn’t handle alterations to his routine well. On top of that if we burned both of them tonight all we’d have is a dumpster fire to close out the series so I’m not sure it would be worthwhile. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/371 "2015-10-14T00:39:33Z")
In the immortal words of Jack & Harry-- Hey Hey! and Holy Cow! CUBBIES!!! Now… is this Kershaw’s curse breaker or a snub? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/372 "2015-10-14T01:14:40Z")
I’m a Nats fan, but WAY TO GO CUBBIES! ---
**Author:** ![leftfield6](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leftfield6/32/18780_2.png) [@leftfield6](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leftfield6)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/373 "2015-10-14T01:25:19Z")
> [@stillownedbysetters](#): > > CUBS WIN!!! Bird is NOT the word!!! > > And once more, just for leftfield6…CUBS WIN!!! Yeah, I know they won. You can’t make me like them though. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Reluctant\_A](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/839c29/32.png) [@Reluctant\_A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reluctant_A)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/374 "2015-10-14T01:52:12Z")
I’ve only been to two baseball games in my life: one of them was Cubs vs. Astros at Wrigley. My dad was born and raised in Chicago, and has been a Cubs fan his whole life. He is guardedly optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/375 "2015-10-14T01:55:16Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > I live a block away from Wrigley, the whole area is insane and this is just the NLDS I was living at Addision and Racine in 1988 when the first night game was played at Wrigley. The whole area went bat shit crazy. You may want to leave town if it all boils down to one game at Wrigley for the whole enchilada. ---
**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/376 "2015-10-14T02:18:34Z")
So I think at this point you can say Kershaw on 3 days rest worked better than any alternative was likely to. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/377 "2015-10-14T02:53:43Z")
Curt Schilling needs to shut up. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/378 "2015-10-14T02:58:59Z")
And it’s back to LA for the final game. ---
**Author:** ![Club\_33](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@Club\_33](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Club_33)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/379 "2015-10-14T03:06:33Z")
Kershaw finally makes it through the 7th unscathed. Janson made me nervous in the 8th, but he sure turned it up a notch in the 9th. Now, it rests on Greinke. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2015, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-postseason-2015/733030/380 "2015-10-14T03:38:28Z")
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