# MLB Steroid Report Career Death Pool **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 12, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767 "2007-12-12T18:44:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/41 "2007-12-13T17:09:19Z")
More names have leaked to various news outlets… So far: Roger Clemens Andy Pettitte Pudge Rodriguez Gary Sheffield **Johnny Damon!!! Albert Pujols!!!** ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/42 "2007-12-13T17:25:05Z")
[QUOTE=HelloNinja] More names have leaked to various news outlets… So far: Roger Clemens Andy Pettitte Pudge Rodriguez Gary Sheffield **Johnny Damon!!! Albert Pujols!!!** [/QUOTE] Woohoo, I’m 6/10 already. ---
**Author:** ![WordMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e8c25b/32.png) [@WordMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WordMan)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/43 "2007-12-13T17:34:05Z")
[QUOTE=Stringer] Woohoo, I’m 6/10 already. [/QUOTE] Nah - you’re 10 for 10. The list is getting around now… ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/44 "2007-12-13T17:40:04Z")
All right, in order to keep the game from being scuppered, it looks like I need to impose a new deadline, of about now. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Stringer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Stringer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stringer)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/45 "2007-12-13T17:43:23Z")
[QUOTE=WordMan] Nah - you’re 10 for 10. The list is getting around now… [/QUOTE] The full list is getting around? Do you have a link? ---
**Author:** ![Kid\_A\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Kid\_A\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kid_A_1)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/46 "2007-12-13T17:45:13Z")
It’s in the other thread. > **[MLB fans-Who will break your heart if they are in the Mitchell report?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=447649)** > > I mentioned in the Mitchell Report Death pool that I’ll be disappointed if we learn that Mike Piazza is named in the Mitchell report, but I’m kind of resigned to the fact that he probably did some kind of juicing. It kind of saddens me, but I’ll... BTW, 10/10. We needed some more restrictions. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Greenjeans](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr.greenjeans/32/551_2.png) [@Mr.Greenjeans](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Greenjeans)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/47 "2007-12-13T17:52:49Z")
[QUOTE=AndyPolley] It pains me to present, the all Mets list. [/QUOTE] (I was never a Mets fan, so I don’t share your pain, however…) Don’t forget Lenny Dykstra. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Sensitive](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/58956e/32.png) [@Darth\_Sensitive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Sensitive)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/48 "2007-12-13T18:17:33Z")
[QUOTE=E-Sabbath] No-one’s mentioned Nolan Ryan? I’m not saying he did, but it’s not impossible he might have used them to heal quicker. He played for a heck of a long time. [/QUOTE] I made my pick of him without seeing this post of yours. I don’t know that he did, but he would have benefited from dropped recovery time. He was dang hard on that cannon of his. I hope he didn’t though. ---
**Author:** ![drm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e57/32.png) [@drm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drm)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/49 "2007-12-13T19:27:04Z")
Pujols was fierce to defend Bonds as I recall. I was hoping I was wrong on this one. Eric Gagne is another one. As a Canadian, I wanted to be wrong on this one too. We don’t have a whole lot of Canadians to root for. ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2007, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/50 "2007-12-13T20:12:35Z")
Okay, I have the list, as culled from the PDF released by Mitchell’s office. I’m going to let people score themselves. Again, the formula is, for non-pitchers, 1 point for every home run they’ve hit, and for pitchers, career wins + career saves + (Career Ks / 10). Here’s the official list: Chad Allen Rick Ankiel Mike Bell David Bell Marvin Benard Gary Bennett, Jr. Larry Bigbie Barry Bonds Kevin Brown Paul Byrd Jose Canseco Mark Carreon Jason Christiansen Howie Clark Roger Clemens Jack Cust Brendan Donnelly Chris Donnels Lenny Dykstra Bobby Estalella Matt Franco Ryan Franklin Eric Gagne Jason Giambi Jeremy Giambi Jay Gibbons Troy Glaus Jason Grimsley Jose Guillen Jerry Hairston, Jr. Matt Herges Phil Hiatt Glenallen Hill Darren Holmes Todd Hundley David Justice Chuck Knoblauch Tim Laker Mike Lansing Paul Lo Duca Exavier “Nook” Logan Josias Manzanillo Gary Matthew, Jr. Cody McCay Kent Mercker Bart Miadich Hal Morris Daniel Naulty Denny Neagle Jim Parque Andy Pettitte Adam Piatt Todd Pratt Stephen Randolph Adam Riggs Brian Roberts John Rocker F.P. Santangelo Benito Santiago Scott Schoeneweis David Segui Gary Sheffield Mike Stanton Miguel Tejada Ismael Valdez Mo Vaughn Randy Velarde Ron Villone Fernando Vina Rondell White Todd Williams Jeff Williams Matt Williams Steve Woodard Kevin Young Gregg Zaun The format of the report is that each of the players named above has a section to himself, with evidence from witnesses, and usually documentary evidence. I should note that the report also mentions the following players somewhere in the narrative, often in passing: Manny Alexander, Mark McGwire, Ken Caminiti, Lenny Dykstra, Wally Joyner, Ricky Bones, Alex Cabrera, Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmeiro, Paxton Crawford, and Armando Rios (and by the way, there may be a few more that I missed). I’m going to make the more-or-less-arbitrary judgment that these players were mostly out of the closet, and don’t count toward your score. Here’s the [link](http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/) ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/51 "2007-12-14T05:09:18Z")
When this thread was first started, I ALMOST stated, as a joke, that the one certainty was this: no current Red Sox players would be named, because Mitchell knows where his loyalties lie. I’m a bit freaked that I would have been right!!! Are we really to believe that the Sox are the one squeaky clean team in sport? ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/52 "2007-12-14T14:24:55Z")
Though, to be fair, Boston is hardly the only team that doesn’t have a current player on the list. Many of these guys are ex-players anyway. Boston certainly has plenty of those on the list. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/53 "2007-12-14T14:26:56Z")
[QUOTE=astorian] Are we really to believe that the Sox are the one squeaky clean team in sport? [/QUOTE] If we’re hopelessly deluded, maybe. Actually, I think Mitchell said explicitly that there were people in every organization using performance enhancing drugs. ---
**Author:** ![AndyPolley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@AndyPolley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndyPolley)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/54 "2007-12-14T14:51:40Z")
Well, I’m not going to win this pool, with my lousy 202 points from Hundley’s lifetime HR totals. Anyone else tally up yet? ---
**Author:** ![Sal\_Ammoniac](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8dc957/32.png) [@Sal\_Ammoniac](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sal_Ammoniac)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2007, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767/55 "2007-12-14T15:00:22Z")
Well, you beat **VarlosZ** , anyway. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mlb-steroid-report-career-death-pool/429767.md?page=2)