# Mmmmmmm...abortion doughnuts
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [January 16, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656 "2009-01-16T20:24:24Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Cliffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cliffy)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/61 "2009-01-17T06:03:38Z")
I know this thread has become a joke, but I have to say, this shit really pisses me off. It’s like these fucktards don’t even care that if their hateful agenda is enacted, hundreds of women are just going to resort to acquiring unsafe back-alley doughnuts.
–Cliffy
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### Author:  [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 6:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/62 "2009-01-17T06:04:44Z")
> [@mobo85](#):
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> The supermarket I work at uses “America’s Choice” as its generic brand name. I never realized they were secretly sending pro-abortion messages through their products.
Well, duh. They’re trying to promote their new abortion-while-you-wait service.
**Get Your D & C at the A & P!
_Only $12.99 with your Bonus Savings Club Card!_**
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### Author:  [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 6:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/63 "2009-01-17T06:11:59Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> [Krispy Kreme](http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php) is offering everybody a free doughnut on Inauguration day. They put out the following press release:
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> What does that have to do with abortion, you ask? Well look really close. See how they use the word “choice?” That’s got the lifers up in arms.:
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> So now the use of the word “choice” in any context is to be taken as synonomous with support for abortion rights.
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> I think I might have to make a doughnut run on tuesday.
I’ll agree that this seems like stupidity, and I am fervently pro-choice, but what is the phrase supposed to mean in that context. As one other poster commented, it does seem odd. If you just omitted the phrase it wold make the sentence feel more natural. I don’t get why they inserted it, or to what it is supposed to refer to.
Oh well, more bad writing _and_ misplaced frothing…
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### Author:  [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/64 "2009-01-17T06:12:36Z")
> [@mobo85](#):
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> The supermarket I work at uses “America’s Choice” as its generic brand name. I never realized they were secretly sending pro-abortion messages through their products.
I will never again buy USDA aborted fetus beef in my life.
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### Author:  [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/65 "2009-01-17T06:32:35Z")
> [@magellan01](#):
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> I’ll agree that this seems like stupidity, and I am fervently pro-choice, but what is the phrase supposed to mean in that context. As one other poster commented, it does seem odd. If you just omitted the phrase it wold make the sentence feel more natural. I don’t get why they inserted it, or to what it is supposed to refer to.
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> Oh well, more bad writing _and_ misplaced frothing…
Wait, what?
Here’s the quote:
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> “Krispy Kreme Doughnuts, Inc. (NYSE: KKD) is honoring American’s sense of pride and freedom of choice on Inauguration Day, by offering a free doughnut of choice to every customer on this historic day, Jan. 20. By doing so, participating Krispy Kreme stores nationwide are making an oath to tasty goodies – just another reminder of how oh-so-sweet ‘free’ can be.”
Which phrase could you delete? I thought they were linking the freedom to choose our President with the choice of doughnut. Without the word choice, it would be basically. . .get a free doughnut (probably the plain one which is their basic). A free doughnut of choice is like an extra. So they wanted to link it to something to tie it to the Inauguration. And they linked it to the freedom of choice of choosing our President.
How would you have rewritten that?
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### Author:  [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/66 "2009-01-17T06:46:12Z")
I cant even eat the damn things and I think I am going to go pick up a dozen and bring em to my students
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### Author:  [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/67 "2009-01-17T06:56:28Z")
> [@Cliffy](#):
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> I know this thread has become a joke, but I have to say, this shit really pisses me off. It’s like these fucktards don’t even care that if their hateful agenda is enacted, hundreds of women are just going to resort to acquiring unsafe back-alley doughnuts.
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> –Cliffy
Didn’t you know? Unborn doughnuts are more important than born ones!
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### Author:  [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/68 "2009-01-17T07:02:51Z")
> [@Fish](#):
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> Second trimester vacuum kittens.
I am _seriously_ considering having my username changed to this.
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### Author:  [@TWDuke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TWDuke)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/69 "2009-01-17T07:45:51Z")
These people should be all over [www.gop.com](http://www.gop.com)
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> Senator McCain - The Right [**Abortion Access**] For Hispanics
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> A state-regulated national market for health insurance means more competition, more [**abortion access**], and lower costs.
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> Republican Senate Leader Leonard Lance and Assembly Leader Alex DeCroce were joined Wednesday afternoon by Republican State Chairman Tom Wilson in unveiling the “[**Abortion Access**] for Change,” a multi-pronged reform and public empowerment agenda that they will take to the voters in this fall’s legislative elections.
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> We support [**abortion access**] in education for all families, especially those with children trapped in dangerous and failing schools, whether through charter schools, vouchers or tax credits for attending faith-based or other non-public schools, or the option of home schooling.
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> Catholic Group Mission
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> As Catholics, our faith enlightens our political [**abortion accesses**]. We face a clear [**abortion access**] in the Republican Party under the leadership by President Bush and his vision of a compassionate conservative America.
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### Author:  [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 8:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/70 "2009-01-17T08:23:52Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#):
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> Wait, what?
> Here’s the quote:
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> Which phrase could you delete? I thought they were linking the freedom to choose our President with the choice of doughnut. Without the word choice, it would be basically. . .get a free doughnut (probably the plain one which is their basic). A free doughnut of choice is like an extra. So they wanted to link it to something to tie it to the Inauguration. And they linked it to the freedom of choice of choosing our President.
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> How would you have rewritten that?
“Krispy Kreme Doughnuts, Inc. (NYSE: KKD) is honoring American’s sense of pride on this particularly auspicious Inauguration Day, by offering a free doughnut to every customer on Jan. 20. By doing so, participating Krispy Kreme stores nationwide are celebrating the best of America with America’s best tasty goodies – just another reminder of how oh-so-sweet ‘free’ can be.”
This is better to me. The whole “choice” idea just seems clunky to me. and the tie in with “free” and “freedom” also seems forced. Not that I read much more into the paragraph it than what is there. But it does seem to me that the forced writing stems from the copywriter starting with the idea of getting “freedom of choice” into the paragraph. Though, not necessarily for the reason having to do with abortion.
But, obviously, this whole thing is a tempest in at teapot. I would have just read it over and given it as much notice as I do the other ad copy I see every day.
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### Author:  [@Orbifold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Orbifold)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 8:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/71 "2009-01-17T08:43:51Z")
I regret to say I don’t think pissing off easily-offended busybodies is enough of an incentive for me to eat Krispy Kremes. I can find better donuts, even if they aren’t sacrilicous.
(Yes, I’ve just been looking for an excuse to type “sacrilicious”.)
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### Author:  [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/72 "2009-01-17T09:36:58Z")
> [@magellan01](#):
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> American’s sense of pride
So it’s about the gays now?
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### Author:  [@Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fish)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 10:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/73 "2009-01-17T10:05:58Z")
> [@Green\_Bean](#):
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> **Get Your D & C at the A & P!
> _Only $12.99 with your Bonus Savings Club Card!_**
Get your card punched with every abortion! Every 12 punches gets you a FREE abortion!
Must be your own child. Limit 2 gestations per customer.
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### Author:  [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/74 "2009-01-17T11:21:44Z")
What will be really funny will be getting, on camera, members of the American Life League stopping in at a Krispy Kreme for a free donut. I can see it now, trenchcoat, wig, dark glasses, but…BUSTED!!!
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### Author:  [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/75 "2009-01-17T11:55:59Z")
> [@Critical1](#):
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> I cant even eat the damn things and I think I am going to go pick up a dozen and bring em to my students
You’re actually going to provide those abortion accesses to students?! I thought there were **laws** against that in this country! I bet you’re not even going to tell their parents, either.
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### Author:  [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/76 "2009-01-17T12:04:07Z")
> [@mobo85](#):
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> The supermarket I work at uses “America’s Choice” as its generic brand name. I never realized they were secretly sending pro-abortion messages through their products.
And mine uses President’s Choice–AND it’s a Chicago based chain! Coincidence? I think not–MORE proof that Obama’s main agenda is killing babies…
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### Author:  [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/77 "2009-01-17T12:09:57Z")
> [@Fish](#):
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> Get your card punched with every abortion! Every 12 punches gets you a FREE abortion!
> Must be your own child. Limit 2 gestations per customer.
Offer not valid post childbirth.
However, you’re all missing the real outrage here – giving away free stuff is communism!
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### Author:  [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/78 "2009-01-17T13:42:40Z")
> [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](#):
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> Wait, what?
> Here’s the quote:
> Which phrase could you delete? I thought they were linking the freedom to choose our President with the choice of doughnut. Without the word choice, it would be basically. . .get a free doughnut (probably the plain one which is their basic). A free doughnut of choice is like an extra. So they wanted to link it to something to tie it to the Inauguration. And they linked it to the freedom of choice of choosing our President.
> How would you have rewritten that?
Its obvious, we should elect our doughnuts as well as our presidents. Its the only way to avoid the word choice.
My fellow Americans, I promise to not get stale on the campaign trail !
Dick Chenney Doughnut : "Eat me! "
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### Author:  [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/79 "2009-01-17T14:19:07Z")
> [@magellan01](#):
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> I’ll agree that this seems like stupidity, and I am fervently pro-choice, but what is the phrase supposed to mean in that context. As one other poster commented, it does seem odd. If you just omitted the phrase it wold make the sentence feel more natural. I don’t get why they inserted it, or to what it is supposed to refer to.
I agree with this general reaction. It was probably either just clunky wording / bad luck, or perhaps someone in the Marketing Department was getting a chuckle by slipping this by the senior VPs, but “freedom of choice” is a bit of a loaded phrase when applied to celebrate the inauguration of a president who promised that the first thing he’d do after taking office is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. It feels forced, to me, in the context of that release. Like at work, when someone who’s bad at giving speeches tries to segue to the next speaker by hammering on a company catchphrase as a play on words.
I am not outraged by the wording–it may well be just an unintentional coincidence–but I don’t think the inference is as “out there” as most in this thread seem to think. I’m also not at all getting the reaction that leads one to conclude consecutively that this is innocuous wording, completely unrelated to the abortion issue, so let’s all buy KK donuts to support that firm’s, um, apparent indifference to the cause. To piss off the pro-lifers? Speaking only for myself, I can tell you that this pro-lifer does not care even a little bit if you go out and get donuts on Tuesday. I won’t even be aware of it, and won’t care if I am made aware. However, KK, that revered institutional shoulder-shrugger over abortion rights (as inferred by most in this thread), will be greatly appreciative. Knock yourself out.
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### Author:  [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2009, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mmmmmmm-abortion-doughnuts/481656/80 "2009-01-17T15:09:02Z")
> [@Cervaise](#):
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> So it’s about the gays now?
Now, that’s well done.
Finally.
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